Difference between opposite states

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The discussion revolves around the physical distinction between two quantum states of spin-1/2 particles, specifically whether they are distinguishable or identical based on their mathematical representation and properties in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two spin-1/2 particle states and questions if there is any physical difference between them.
  • Another participant asserts that the states are the same, emphasizing that only the relative phase is significant.
  • A different participant explains that a global phase factor can be factored out from one state to yield the other, indicating that their expectation values will be identical.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of pure states being represented as rays in Hilbert space, suggesting a broader framework for understanding quantum states beyond simple vector representation.

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Participants express differing views on the distinction between the two states, with some arguing they are indistinguishable and others providing theoretical frameworks that support their equivalence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the interpretation of quantum states and the role of phase factors that are not fully explored. The discussion does not clarify the implications of using different representations of quantum states.

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Let's say there are two 1/2 spin particles, one in state

1/√2 |up> + 1/√2 |down>

and the other in the state

- 1/√2 |up> - 1/√2 |down>

Both particles then have an equal chance of being measured to be in either the up or down states. Is there any physical difference between these or are they indistinguishable?
 
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These are the same state. Only the relative phase matters.
 
You can take out a global phase factor of -1 or ( e^(i*pi) ) from the second one and return the first one you mentioned. (By which I simply mean you can take out a factor of -1). This phase factor does not effect something called the expectation values of the Hermitian operator, which means, that the possible outcomes of either system should be the same. Or in this case, these two vector spaces are the same.
 
A pure state is represented not by a vector but by a ray in Hilbert space or, equivalently, a projection operator ##\hat{P}_{\psi}=|\psi \rangle \langle \psi |## with a normalized vector ##|\psi \rangle##. The most general state is given by an arbitrary statistical operator, i.e., a positive semidefinite self-adjoint operator with trace 1.
 

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