Can superposition be attained for multiple states at once?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of superposition in quantum mechanics, specifically whether a particle can be prepared in multiple independent states of superposition and how measurements affect these states. Participants explore the implications of measuring one observable on the state of another, as well as the nature of superposition itself.

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  • One participant questions if a particle can be prepared in a superposition of multiple states (spin up/down and spin left/right) and whether these states can be resolved at different times.
  • Another participant asserts that while a particle can be in a superposition, it only has one state at a time, and the concept of superposition is a mathematical representation that does not change the physical reality.
  • It is noted that measuring one observable (up/down) does not allow for simultaneous measurement of another (left/right) due to non-commuting observables.
  • Some participants discuss that after measuring up/down, the state may still be viewed as a superposition of left/right, but this is framed as a mathematical choice rather than a physical state.
  • One participant emphasizes that once a state is defined in terms of one observable, it constrains the representation in terms of others, suggesting interdependence among the states.
  • A participant acknowledges confusion between state variables and the state itself in the context of superposition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of superposition and the implications of measurement. There is no consensus on whether the states can be considered independent or how measurements affect the overall state of the particle.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining states in superposition and the mathematical nature of quantum states, indicating that assumptions about independence and measurement outcomes may not hold universally.

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I hope my articulation makes sense.

Can I prepare a particle so that it has >1 states in superposition and resolve them at different times? I will make up states to try and illustrate my question better.

Prepare a particle so that spin up and spin down are in a state of superposition. Also, the states of spin left and spin right are in a state of superposition. I mean these states (up/down and left/right) to be independent of each other.

Then I measure up/down. Have I also fixed left/right even if don't observe it or can left/right still be said to be in a state of superposition for this particle?
 
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Grinkle said:
Prepare a particle so that spin up and spin down are in a state of superposition. Also, the states of spin left and spin right are in a state of superposition.

This is easily done, just prepare the particle in a state that is not an eigenstate of up/down or left/right. However, the particle still only has one state; it doesn't have multiple states. Viewing the state as being a "superposition" of up/down and left/right is a mathematical choice and doesn't affect the physics.

Grinkle said:
I mean these states (up/down and left/right) to be independent of each other.

I don't know what you mean by this. The particle only has one state.

Grinkle said:
Then I measure up/down. Have I also fixed left/right even if don't observe it

You can't measure up/down and left/right in the same measurement; those observables don't commute.

Grinkle said:
can left/right still be said to be in a state of superposition for this particle?

The state after the measurement will be either up or down, and neither of those is an eigenstate of left/right. So you could view the state after measurement as a superposititon of left and right. But as above, that's just a mathematical choice and doesn't affect the physics. The particle still has only one state.
 
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Grinkle said:
Can I prepare a particle so that it has >1 states in superposition and resolve them at different times?
A quantum system always has only one state. Superposition just means that it is mathematically possible to write the state in different ways. For example any state ##|\psi\rangle## can be written in the form ##|\psi\rangle=\alpha|up\rangle+\beta|down=\gamma|left\rangle+\delta|right\rangle=\epsilon|45\rangle+\zeta|225\rangle## - a superposition of up/down and also a superposition of left/right and of the two diagonal axes, and we could choose any other angle as well if we wanted. So yes, a state can be a superposition of more than one thing; in fact, it always is.

Prepare a particle so that spin up and spin down are in a state of superposition. Also, the states of spin left and spin right are in a state of superposition. I mean these states (up/down and left/right) to be independent of each other.
You can’t make them independent of one another, because there’s only one way of writing any particular state as (for example) a sum of up/down and as a sum of left/right. So once you’ve chosen your state ##|\psi\rangle## to be a particular superposition of up and down (that is, you've chosen particular values for ##\alpha## and ##\beta##) you've determined the values of ##\gamma## and ##\delta## so in that sense they're not independent. However, all four of them can be non-zero so the state still a superposition of up/down and left/right and you cannot predict with certainty a measurement on either axis. So say you have prepared the particle in such a state and then...
Then I measure up/down. Have I also fixed left/right even if don't observe it or can left/right still be said to be in a state of superposition for this particle?
The measurement of up/down will collapse the wave function into either ##|up\rangle## or ##|down\rangle##. Both of these states are superpositions of left and right; for example ##|up\rangle=|left\rangle+|right\rangle##.
 
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Thanks @PeterDonis @Nugatory .

Looks like I was confusing state variables with the state itself in my thinking about superposition.
 
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