Difference between τxy and τyx in the Cauchy stress tensor

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_stress_tensor[/B]
I don't understand the difference between τxy . τyx , τxz , τzx , τyz , τzy ..What did they mean ?

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taking τxy and τyx as example , what are the difference between them ? They are the same , right ? they mean the shear force shear the xy plane , right ?
 
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chetzread said:

Homework Statement


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_stress_tensor[/B]
I don't understand the difference between τxy . τyx , τxz , τzx , τyz , τzy ..What did they mean ?

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The Attempt at a Solution


taking τxy and τyx as example , what are the difference between them ? They are the same , right ? they mean the shear force shear the xy plane , right ?
##\tau_{xy}## represents the shear stress in the x direction on a plane of constant y. ##\tau_{yx}## represents the shear stress in the y direction on a plane of constant x.
 
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Chestermiller said:
##\tau_{xy}## represents the shear stress in the x direction on a plane of constant y. ##\tau_{yx}## represents the shear stress in the y direction on a plane of constant x.
ok , one more question , why we need to consider the forces acting on 3 surfaces only ? There are 6 face for cubic , right ?
 
chetzread said:
ok , one more question , why we need to consider the forces acting on 3 surfaces only ? There are 6 face for cubic , right ?
You can get the forces on all 6 faces of the cube using the Cauchy stress relationship, and taking into account the possibility that the stress tensor may be varying with spatial location.
 
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Chestermiller said:
You can get the forces on all 6 faces of the cube using the Cauchy stress relationship, and taking into account the possibility that the stress tensor may be varying with spatial location.
so , in this case , the author in wikipedia only consider 3 surface ? Which is accepatble , too ?
 
Chestermiller said:
##\tau_{xy}## represents the shear stress in the x direction on a plane of constant y. ##\tau_{yx}## represents the shear stress in the y direction on a plane of constant x.
i think you mean ##\tau_{yx}## represents the shear stress in the x direction on a plane of constant y and vice versa ? because the force σyx (τyx) is in the x direction at constant y ...?
 
chetzread said:
i think you mean ##\tau_{yx}## represents the shear stress in the x direction on a plane of constant y and vice versa ?
I don't know. I always get the two confused. And it doesn't matter anyway because the stress tensor is symmetric.
 
Chestermiller said:
I don't know. I always get the two confused. And it doesn't matter anyway because the stress tensor is symmetric.
continue from post #6 ,
because the force σyx (τyx) is in the x direction at constant y ...?
 
chetzread said:
because the force σyx (τyx) is in the x direction at constant y ...?
They usually "prove" this using a balance of moments.
 
chetzread said:
so , in this case , the author in wikipedia only consider 3 surface ? Which is accepatble , too ?
It looks to me like the guy in wiki is correct for the three surfaces he considered.
 
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Chestermiller said:
It looks to me like the guy in wiki is correct for the three surfaces he considered.
If we consider 6 surface, then it's wrong?
 
Chestermiller said:
They usually "prove" this using a balance of moments.
What do you mean? I m getting more confused now...
 
chetzread said:
What do you mean? I m getting more confused now...
Look up in the literature or on Google how it is shown that the stress tensor is symmetric.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Look up in the literature or on Google how it is shown that the stress tensor is symmetric.
OK, is my idea in post #6 correct?
 
chetzread said:
OK, is my idea in post #6 correct?
It really doesn't matter if the stress tensor is symmetric.
 
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Chestermiller said:
It really doesn't matter if the stress tensor is symmetric.
So, both my post and your post could be correct?
 
Sorry, I have another notes here... I couldn't understand why the (tau)_xy could be = (tau)_yx? Why should they be the same?
 

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chetzread said:
Sorry, I have another notes here... I couldn't understand why the (tau)_xy could be = (tau)_yx? Why should they be the same?
I recommended references that contain the same kind of derivation that is in virtually every textbook. And I already alluded to a balance of moments. The rest is up to you to work out.
 
Chestermiller said:
I recommended references that contain the same kind of derivation that is in virtually every textbook. And I already alluded to a balance of moments. The rest is up to you to work out.
Do you have any notes or online notes that explain further on this part? I have tried to search online , but no avail..