Different FEA results of the same element

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the discrepancies observed in finite element analysis (FEA) results for a model using the same elements and mesh density. Participants explore potential reasons for the differences in results when applying a concentrated load to a constrained plane element.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the differences in results are in value or sign.
  • Another participant shares displacement results from a similar example using fewer finite elements, suggesting that the number of elements might influence the results.
  • A participant raises the possibility that differing material modulus values for tension and compression in diagonal elements could lead to variations in deflection.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the limitations of Constant Strain Triangle (CST) elements, particularly their accuracy in low-density meshes and under varying strain gradients.
  • Recommendations are made for the appropriate use of CST elements, including avoiding their use in critical areas of structures and emphasizing their effectiveness in regions with small strain gradients.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the differing FEA results, and multiple competing views regarding the influence of mesh density, material properties, and element formulation are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential impact of material property assumptions, the formulation constraints of CST elements, and the unresolved nature of how these factors interact in the specific model discussed.

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Hello. Consider the model shown below. The problem is to be solved by FEA. The plane element is constrained from moving at the red line. A concentrated load P is applied at the red point and pointing downward.
We solve the problem using the following meshes.
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Same elements are being used and the number of elements is the same in both meshes. Why the results obtained are not the same?
 
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Are the answers different in value or in the sign?
 
JBA said:
Are the answers different in value or in the sign?
I did an example similar to the one above with less finite elements. Here are the displacement results for an example:
IMPORTANT FEA ASSEMBLY TRIANGULAR ELEMENTS.png

The black rectangle was modeled with two triangular cst elements.
 
Did you use a different material modulus value for tension and compression on the diagonal elements? A stiffer modulus for compression than tension on the diagonal might create the type deflection difference seen. In the blue example, both the top element and the diagonal element are in tension; but, in the red example, only the top element is in tension, the diagonal element is in compression.
 
Constant Strain Triangle (CST) elements have fundamental limitations with their formulation that limits their accuracy in low-density meshes. This is due to the fact that the element's formulation assumes constant strain across the element (hence the name), sometimes resulting in reduced accuracy. CST's should only be used in models that have low strain gradients, or in high mesh densities so as to minimize strain gradients across individual elements.

See here: http://www.rpi.edu/~des/CST.ppt
rpi.edu said:
1. Use in areas where strain gradients are small
2. Use in mesh transition areas (fine mesh to coarse mesh)
3. Avoid CST in critical areas of structures (e.g., stress concentrations, edges of holes, corners)
4. In general CSTs are not recommended for general analysis purposes as a very large number of these elements are required for reasonable accuracy.

And here: https://engineering.purdue.edu/~ahvarma/CE595/CE595 Section 5.ppt
purdue.edu said:
- The CST gives good results in regions of the FE model where there is little strain gradient
- Otherwise it does not work well.
 

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