Differentiability of mappings from R^n to R^p .... .... D&K Defn 2.2.2 ....

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The discussion revolves around the differentiability of mappings from \(\mathbb{R}^n\) to \(\mathbb{R}^p\), specifically focusing on Definition 2.2.2 from "Multidimensional Real Analysis I: Differentiation" by Duistermaat and Kolk. Participants seek clarification on the implications of a linear isomorphism related to differentiable mappings, particularly in the case where \(n = p = 1\).

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the statement that the mapping \(L \mapsto L(1)\) gives a linear isomorphism from \(\text{End}(\mathbb{R})\) to \(\mathbb{R}\).
  • One participant proposes that this is a way to identify a linear mapping \(L : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}\) with a real number, specifically defining \(\phi(L) := L(1)\) and noting that \(\phi\) is linear, injective, and surjective.
  • Another participant questions the form of a linear mapping from \(\mathbb{R}\) to \(\mathbb{R}\), suggesting it must be of the form \(L(x) = kx\) where \(k\) is a real number.
  • A later reply provides an example of a linear mapping, defining \(L\) and demonstrating how \(\phi\) identifies \(L\) with its coefficient.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the bijectivity of \(\phi\) and its role in identifying linear mappings with their coefficients.

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Participants generally agree on the identification of linear mappings with real numbers through the defined isomorphism, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the implications and interpretations of the definitions and examples provided.

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Some participants express difficulty in interpreting the definitions and examples, indicating that the discussion may benefit from further clarification of the underlying concepts and assumptions related to differentiability and linear mappings.

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I am reading "Multidimensional Real Analysis I: Differentiation" by J. J. Duistermaat and J. A. C. Kolk ...

I am focused on Chapter 2: Differentiation ... ...

I need help with understanding an aspect of Definition 2.2.2 ... ...

Duistermaat and Kolk's Definition 2.2.2 reads as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/7789
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/7790Towards the end of the above definition, D&K write the following:

" ... ... In the case where $$n = p = 1$$, the mapping $$L \mapsto L(1)$$ gives a linear isomorphism $$\text{End} ( \mathbb{R} ) \ \ \tilde{ \rightarrow } \ \ \mathbb{R}$$. ... ... "I do not understand the above remark ... never mind why it is true ... can someone please explain what D&K mean and why it is true ...

Peter=========================================================================================I think D&K's preceding notes on Differentiable Mappings may be helpful to MHB members trying the understand the above post ... so I am providing the same as follows ... ...
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I also think D&K's preceding notes on Linear Mappings may be helpful to MHB members trying the understand the above post ... so I am providing the same as follows ... ... https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/7793
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View attachment 7795Hope the above text helps ...

Peter
 
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Peter said:
Towards the end of the above definition, D&K write the following:

" ... ... In the case where $$n = p = 1$$, the mapping $$L \mapsto L(1)$$ gives a linear isomorphism $$\text{End} ( \mathbb{R} ) \ \ \tilde{ \rightarrow } \ \ \mathbb{R}$$. ... ... "I do not understand the above remark ... never mind why it is true ... can someone please explain what D&K mean and why it is true ...

This is an (in my opinion somewhat overly fancy) way of saying that a linear mapping $L : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ may be identified with a real number. Specifically, define
\[
\phi : \text{End}(\mathbb{R}) \to \mathbb{R}, \qquad \phi(L) := L(1),
\]
where the parentheses were added for readability. You can verify that $\phi$ is linear, injective and surjective, so $\phi$ is a linear isomorphism. The remark now says that $f$ is "old-differentiable" at $a \in \mathbb{R}$ if and only if $f$ is "new-differentiable" at $a$, in which case
\[
f'(a) = \phi(Df(a)).
\]
Incidentally, had we defined differentiability of mappings $f : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^p$ first in the "old" way as well (see the remark by D&K in the paragraph following (2.8)), as is often done in other textbooks, then the above isomorphism-argument would also have worked to show that the "old" and "new" definitions agree. Instead of $\phi$ as above, we would have considered
\[
\Phi : L(\mathbb{R}, \mathbb{R}^p) \to \mathbb{R}^p, \qquad \Phi(L) := L(1).
\]
In the literature, you will see that this issue is often left implicit, but it is good to be aware of it.
 
Krylov said:
This is an (in my opinion somewhat overly fancy) way of saying that a linear mapping $L : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ may be identified with a real number. Specifically, define
\[
\phi : \text{End}(\mathbb{R}) \to \mathbb{R}, \qquad \phi(L) := L(1),
\]
where the parentheses were added for readability. You can verify that $\phi$ is linear, injective and surjective, so $\phi$ is a linear isomorphism. The remark now says that $f$ is "old-differentiable" at $a \in \mathbb{R}$ if and only if $f$ is "new-differentiable" at $a$, in which case
\[
f'(a) = \phi(Df(a)).
\]
Incidentally, had we defined differentiability of mappings $f : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^p$ first in the "old" way as well (see the remark by D&K in the paragraph following (2.8)), as is often done in other textbooks, then the above isomorphism-argument would also have worked to show that the "old" and "new" definitions agree. Instead of $\phi$ as above, we would have considered
\[
\Phi : L(\mathbb{R}, \mathbb{R}^p) \to \mathbb{R}^p, \qquad \Phi(L) := L(1).
\]
In the literature, you will see that this issue is often left implicit, but it is good to be aware of it.
Thanks Krylov ... but just a simple check ...

What does a linear mapping from $$\mathbb{R}$$ to $$\mathbb{R}$$ look like ... must it be of the form $$L(x) = kx$$ where $$ k$$ is some number in $$\mathbb{R}$$ ... ?Also ... having a bit of trouble interpreting $$\phi : \text{End}(\mathbb{R}) \to \mathbb{R}, \qquad \phi(L) := L(1) $$particularly $$\phi(L) := L(1)$$Can you help with an example ...?

Peter
 
Peter said:
Thanks Krylov ... but just a simple check ...

What does a linear mapping from $$\mathbb{R}$$ to $$\mathbb{R}$$ look like ... must it be of the form $$L(x) = kx$$ where $$ k$$ is some number in $$\mathbb{R}$$ ... ?

Peter

Yes, indeed. Exactly because of the bijectivity of $\phi$ as defined in post #2, every linear mapping from $\mathbb{R}$ to $\mathbb{R}$ is of the form you indicated.

Peter said:
Also ... having a bit of trouble interpreting $$\phi : \text{End}(\mathbb{R}) \to \mathbb{R}, \qquad \phi(L) := L(1) $$particularly $$\phi(L) := L(1)$$Can you help with an example ...?

Peter

Sure. Define $L : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ by $Lh := \pi h$. Then $L$ is linear, so $L \in \text{End}(\mathbb{R})$. Now $\phi(L) = L(1) = \pi \cdot 1 = \pi$. So, $\phi$ serves to "identify" $L$ with its coefficient $\pi$. Generally, $\phi$ allows us to go back and forth between both representations of $L$ with impunity.

As a side note: You will see this kind of thing quite often in different areas of mathematics. Sometimes, the isomorphism in question is not very difficult and intuitive (like here). Other times, proving that an isomorphism exists can be quite challenging. In any case, often the purpose of these kinds of "identifications" is to retain essential information while disregarding less relevant details of a particular representation.
 
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Krylov said:
Yes, indeed. Exactly because of the bijectivity of $\phi$ as defined in post #2, every linear mapping from $\mathbb{R}$ to $\mathbb{R}$ is of the form you indicated.
Sure. Define $L : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}$ by $Lh := \pi h$. Then $L$ is linear, so $L \in \text{End}(\mathbb{R})$. Now $\phi(L) = L(1) = \pi \cdot 1 = \pi$. So, $\phi$ serves to "identify" $L$ with its coefficient $\pi$. Generally, $\phi$ allows us to go back and forth between both representations of $L$ with impunity.

As a side note: You will see this kind of thing quite often in different areas of mathematics. Sometimes, the isomorphism in question is not very difficult and intuitive (like here). Other times, proving that an isomorphism exists can be quite challenging. In any case, often the purpose of these kinds of "identifications" is to retain essential information while disregarding less relevant details of a particular representation.
Thanks for all your help on the above matters Krylov ...

It is much appreciated ...

Peter
 

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