Differential cross section w.r.t rapidity

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The discussion revolves around extracting differential cross-sections from a Monte Carlo simulation of proton-antiproton collisions, specifically focusing on momentum and rapidity space. Participants explore methods for calculating the differential cross-sections and express confusion regarding normalization and the relationship between different variables.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on extracting differential cross-sections, specifically \(\frac{d\sigma}{dy}\), \(\frac{d\sigma}{dp}\), and \(\frac{d^2\sigma}{dydp}\), from a Monte Carlo simulation.
  • Another participant suggests creating a large number of events, extracting momenta and rapidities, and normalizing the histogram to the total cross-section.
  • A participant confirms the use of a Pythia MC simulation and questions the relationship \(\frac{d\sigma}{dp}=\frac{\sigma_{total}}{p}\), expressing uncertainty in their reasoning.
  • One reply challenges the mathematical reasoning of the participant, suggesting a review of basic calculus.
  • A participant admits to confusion and requests direction, indicating difficulty with intuitive steps in the calculations.
  • Another participant proposes that \(\frac{d\sigma}{dp}\approx \frac{\Delta \sigma}{\Delta p}\) and emphasizes the importance of normalizing the events to represent cross-sections.
  • A participant expresses confusion about normalization, stating they only know the total cross-section and not \(\Delta\sigma\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the extraction and normalization of differential cross-sections, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about normalization and the relationship between different differential cross-sections, which remain unclear among participants.

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I'm extracting data from a Monte Carlo sim. and i need to extract the differential cross-sections of the resultant protons and neutrons in momentum and rapidity space.

ie
[tex]\frac{d\sigma}{dy}[/tex] ; [tex]\frac{d\sigma}{dp}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{d^2\sigma}{dydp}[/tex]

where I know the values of y and p (magnitude).

but how do I do it?

My attempts centre around [tex]\int{dy\frac{d\sigma}{dy}}=\sigma=\frac{Rate}{Luminosity}[/tex]

I know its simple but I'm confused
 
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Just out of interest: Which MC sim and what process? Generally: Could you just create a large number of events, extract the momenta and rapidities from the events, fill the values into a histogram and normalize to the total cross-section?
 
It's a Pythia MC sim of proton-antiproton collision.

Is this what you meant?
effectively [tex]\frac{d\sigma}{dp}=\frac{\sigma_{total}}{p}[/tex] ?

as

[tex]\sigma_{total}=\int{dp\frac{d\sigma}{dp}}=\int{dy\frac{d\sigma}{dy}}[/tex]

so in that case [tex]\frac{d^{2}\sigma}{dydp}=\frac{d\sigma}{dy}\frac{d\sigma}{dp}=\frac{\sigma_{total}^{2}}{yp}[/tex]

This is what i have done but I have little confidence in my reasoning.
 
Uh... you might want to have another look at your 1st semester calculus book.
 
I know I've buggered it up. I'm not bad at calculus, but I have a lot of trouble with the seemingly "intuitive" steps like this and I get stuck in a rut.

could you just point me in the right direction?
 
[tex]\frac{d\sigma}{dp}\approx \frac{\Delta \sigma}{\Delta p}[/tex]

I believe what Timo was trying to explain was that. With the events normalized in such a way that they represent cross sections.

So, if you can get the rapidity and momentum out of the events somehow, make a histogram with that plots each event for a given rapidity (or momentum) and use the above once you have normalized so that the events correlate to the cross section.
 
I'm sorry I not quite getting it. I have obtained the momentum and rapidity distributions from the sim ie p versus number of events at p.

So what am I normalising? I don't understand. I only know the total cross section not [tex]\Delta\sigma[/tex]

could you be more explicit?
 

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