Differential Equation (2nd Order Linear)

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The discussion revolves around a second-order linear differential equation of the form (x²)d²y/dx² + 2x(dy/dx) + w²x²y = 0, where w is a constant. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods for solving this equation and the nature of its solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the typical approach of assuming a solution of the form y = e^(λx) and substituting it into the equation, but express confusion about why this method does not yield expected results in this case. There is mention of a proposed solution involving sine and cosine functions divided by x, leading to questions about the form of the assumed solution. Others suggest trying a series solution or recognizing patterns from product differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on alternative forms to assume for the solution, such as y = exp(λx)/x, and have discussed the potential for a series solution due to the nature of the singular point at x = 0. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts and suggestions without reaching a consensus on a single method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of x in the denominators of the proposed solutions and the implications of having a regular singular point at x = 0, which may influence the choice of solution methods.

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Homework Statement



(x2)d2y/dx2 + 2*x*(dy/dx) + w2*x2*y=0

Where w is a constant

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am having a really hard time figuring out how to solve this. Usually for second order linear ODEs I start with assuming a solution of form y=eλx, substitute into the equation, find the two roots and get the solution as y= c1*y1+ c2*y2. It doesn't work in this case though.

From another solver I found that the solution has the form of C1*sin(wx)/x + C2*cos(wx)/x.
With sin and cos present, usually the method I mentioned above has to yield complex conjugate roots. But I'm really puzzled by the x's in the denominators. What kind of solution form would I have to assume to get that?

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
 
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turpy said:

Homework Statement



(x2)d2y/dx2 + 2*x*(dy/dx) + w2*x2*y=0

Where w is a constant

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I am having a really hard time figuring out how to solve this. Usually for second order linear ODEs I start with assuming a solution of form y=eλx, substitute into the equation, find the two roots and get the solution as y= c1*y1+ c2*y2. It doesn't work in this case though.

From another solver I found that the solution has the form of C1*sin(wx)/x + C2*cos(wx)/x.
With sin and cos present, usually the method I mentioned above has to yield complex conjugate roots. But I'm really puzzled by the x's in the denominators. What kind of solution form would I have to assume to get that?

Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

The solution you got should be a good clue. Try assuming y=exp(λx)/x.
 
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Dick said:
The solution you got should be a good clue. Try assuming y=exp(λx)/x.

Works out great, thanks! I just wonder how I would ever think to assume that solution form without being given the solution first...
 
turpy said:
Works out great, thanks! I just wonder how I would ever think to assume that solution form without being given the solution first...

Don't know. I'm not that great with ODE's. I'd just say trial and error. But maybe somebody else knows a rule that applies here.
 
Without seeing anything but the DE I would think a series solution would be the first thing to try. Because x=0 is a regular singular point, I would try$$
y=\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_nx^{n+r}$$With luck one might recognize the resulting series.
 
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You have a product of a function of x and y as last term on LHS. When you have that sort of thing you can try to recognise the sort of terms that differentiation of products gives you. Leibniz' theorem is often useful. In this case divide all by x and I think you can recognise you have a differential equation in xy.
 
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epenguin said:
You have a product of a function of x and y as last term on LHS. When you have that sort of thing you can try to recognise the sort of terms that differentiation of products gives you. Leibniz' theorem is often useful. In this case divide all by x and I think you can recognise you have a differential equation in xy.

Nice.
 

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