Differential equation after using Euler-Lagrange equations

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The problem involves a particle moving along a curve in a uniform gravitational field, with the motion described using Euler-Lagrange equations. The original poster seeks to find the motion of the particle by deriving a differential equation from the Lagrangian formulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the generalized coordinate and the resulting differential equation, with some suggesting it simplifies to a linear form. Questions arise about the integration process required to solve the equation.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the integration steps needed to solve the derived differential equation. Some participants provide guidance on the integration process, while others confirm the nature of the motion along the curve.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves a specific parametrization of motion and that certain variables are treated as constants. The discussion reflects on the implications of these assumptions for the solution process.

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Homework Statement


Particle is moving along the curve parametrized as below (x,y,z) in uniform gravitational field. Using Euler- Lagrange equations find the motion of the particle.

The Attempt at a Solution


\begin{array}{ll} x=a \cos \phi &amp; \dot{x}= -\dot{\phi} a \sin \phi \\<br /> y=a \sin \phi &amp; \dot{y}=\dot{\phi} a \cos \phi \\<br /> z=b \phi &amp; \dot{z}= b \dot{\phi} \\<br /> \end{array}<br />
Lagrangean will be :
L=T-V=\frac{m}{2}\dot{\phi}^{2}(a^{2}+b^{2})-mgb\phi
Using Euler-Lagrange equations we obtain:
\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{q_{l}}}\right)-\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial q_{l}}=0
m\ddot{\phi}(a^{2}+b^{2})+mgb=0

How to deal with such differential equation ?
 
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So \phi is the only generalised co-ordinate, and all the other letters are constants, right?

In that case, this is a differential equation of the form \ddot\phi = c which gives a simple linear solution (which makes sense, because the only freedom you have is how fast you move along the curve).
 
So all i need to do is double integration ?
 
Zaknife said:
So all i need to do is double integration ?

That's correct. Write the equation in the form suggested by CompuChip and then integrate twice with respect to time. Since the right side is a constant is pretty simple to do.
 
The particle is moving along a helix (on a circular cylinder) with constant angular velocity. Therefore the angle in the plane xOy depends quadratically on time.
 

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