Differential Equation (help with the algebra)

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation problem involving algebraic manipulation of expressions related to the variable \( y \). Participants are examining the transition between different forms of an equation and the steps taken to isolate \( y \) from a given relationship.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the algebraic steps taken to isolate \( y \) from the equation \(\frac{y-2}{y+2}= e^{4x+c}\). There are questions about the correctness of the expressions and potential typos in the equations presented. Some participants provide alternative manipulations to clarify the steps involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the steps taken in the textbook example. There is a recognition of a possible typo in the equations, and some guidance has been offered regarding the algebraic manipulation, though no consensus has been reached on the exact steps or interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original differential equation and its transformation into partial fractions are crucial for understanding the subsequent steps. There is an emphasis on the importance of accurately representing the equations to avoid confusion.

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1. Homework Statement [/b]
I need help knowing how my textbook jumped from one equation to the other in the example given.
[tex]\frac{y-2}{y+2}= e^{4x+c}[/tex]
They solved for y and got
[tex]y = 2\frac{1+ce^4x}{1-ce^4x}[/tex]

What is the intermediate step? I tried but couldn't isolate y.

And then they do something again that I don't know how they got:

"Now if we factor out the right hand sign of the differential equation as [tex]dy/dx = (y-2)(y+2)[/tex]

I couldn't reach that step either.
 
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[tex]\frac{y-2}{y+2}=A[/tex]
becomes
[tex]y-2 = (y+2)A = Ay+2A[/tex]

putting all the y's together gives
[tex]y-Ay=2+2A[/tex]
factor out a y
[tex]y(1-A)=2+2A[/tex]
and solve
[tex]y=\frac{2+2A}{1-A}[/tex]

Note that this is NOT what you tex'd up, you have a typo on either your first or second equation

For the differential equation I think you're going to have to tell us what it looked like before they wrote it like that for us to tell you what they did
 
Office_Shredder said:
[tex]\frac{y-2}{y+2}=A[/tex]
becomes
[tex]y-2 = (y+2)A = Ay+2A[/tex]

putting all the y's together gives
[tex]y-Ay=2+2A[/tex]
factor out a y
[tex]y(1-A)=2+2A[/tex]
and solve
[tex]y=\frac{2+2A}{1-A}[/tex]

Note that this is NOT what you tex'd up, you have a typo on either your first or second equation

For the differential equation I think you're going to have to tell us what it looked like before they wrote it like that for us to tell you what they did

I've checked and rechecked meticulously and I can assure you that there were no mistakes. The only thing that I omitted was the ± sign for e.

[tex]\frac{y-2}{y+2}= ±e^{4x+c}[/tex]
 
Here is the whole problem:

[tex]\frac{dy}{y^2-4}=dx[/tex]
Using partial fractions
[tex]\frac{1/4}{y-2}-\frac{1/4}{y+2}dy=dx[/tex]
Integrating both sides
[tex]1/4 (ln(y-2) - ln (y+2)) = x[/tex]
Logarithmic property gives
[tex]\frac{1}{4} \frac{ln(y-2)}{y+2} = x + c[/tex]
Raising everything to e we get
[tex]\frac{y-2}{y+2}= ±e^{4x+c}[/tex]
Solving for y
[tex]y = 2\frac{1+ce^4x}{1-ce^4x}[/tex]
"Now if we factor out the right hand sign of the differential equation as [tex]dy/dx = (y-2)(y+2)[/tex]"
 
Nano-Passion said:
1. Homework Statement [/b]
I need help knowing how my textbook jumped from one equation to the other in the example given.
[tex]\frac{y-2}{y+2}= e^{4x+c}[/tex]
They solved for y and got
[tex]y = 2\frac{1+ce^4x}{1-ce^4x}[/tex]
There is a typo in the second equation. It should be:
[itex]\displaystyle y = 2\frac{1+ce^{4x}}{1-ce^{4x}}[/itex]
as O.S. showed.
 
SammyS said:
There is a typo in the second equation. It should be:
[itex]\displaystyle y = 2\frac{1+ce^{4x}}{1-ce^{4x}}[/itex]
as O.S. showed.


So much for being meticulous-- its a wonder how much your brain can fool you sometime.
 

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