Differential Equation Homework: Solving with Attempted Solution

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation, specifically addressing the inclusion of particular solutions and the use of different methods such as Laplace transforms and the method of undetermined coefficients.

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  • Participants explore the necessity of including particular solutions in the overall solution and question the validity of the book's solution. There are discussions about the effectiveness of using Laplace transforms versus other methods for solving ordinary differential equations (ODEs).

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Some participants have provided guidance on the importance of including particular solutions and have suggested methods for solving the ODE. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, with no explicit consensus reached on the preferred method.

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Participants mention the need to solve for constants in the initial value problem (IVP) and the challenges associated with using Laplace transforms, such as partial fractions decomposition and the potential for confusion in notation.

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The Attempt at a Solution



If my solution is right please tell me why I should omit [tex]2xe^{-x}+0.5e^{2x}[/tex]
 

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You shouldn't omit the particular solution. The initial conditions apply to the complete solution, not just the homogeneous solution.
 
So the solution of my book is wrong as I expected!

In this case we have
[tex]c_{1}=4 c_{2}=-4.5 c_{3}=0[/tex]
 
They can't all be 0 otherwise you'd have y(0)=1/2.
 
Do you know how to solve ODEs with Laplace Transform? it is perfectly suited for constant coefficient ODEs with starting conditions at x=0.
 
gomunkul51 said:
Do you know how to solve ODEs with Laplace Transform? it is perfectly suited for constant coefficient ODEs with starting conditions at x=0.

This is a very good advice. I'd take it, in case you know Laplace Transforms.
 
Really? I wouldn't. I find using Laplace transforms for a problem like this is usually more tedious than solving it using the method of undetermined coefficients.
 
vela said:
Really? I wouldn't. I find using Laplace transforms for a problem like this is usually more tedious than solving it using the method of undetermined coefficients.

Depends if you want to solve the inverse LT by hand. :)
 
But then you have to find the 3 constants that solve the IVP.
and if you solve by Laplace Transform you will find them along the way.

Nevertheless, both ways are good !
and you better know how to solve if by different methods.

Also learn Lagrange's Variation of Parameters, it's a little longer but it's ingenious ! :)
 
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But with the Laplace transform, you'll need to do a partial fractions decomposition, so you end up having to solve a system of linear equations anyway.

I agree it's good to know both ways. It's kind of neat to see it all work out with Laplace transforms, but once you do it a few times, the novelty wears off. ;)
 
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vela said:
They can't all be 0 otherwise you'd have y(0)=1/2.

Thank you very much for your kind help. I know Laplace but I have to revise it now.

I actually solved it again and I got the same results:
[tex]c_{1}=4 c_{2}=-4.5 c_{3}=0[/tex] I mean again [tex]c_{3}=0[/tex]
 
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Obviously, you're doing something wrong. Why don't you post your work so we can see where the problem is?
 
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Oh, you did get the right answer. It's just that your equations ran together, so it looked like you got c1=4c2=4.5c3=0 so that all of the coefficients were 0.

If you're going to use LaTeX for something like that, you should put the equations on separate lines. :)
 
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vela said:
Oh, you did get the right answer. It's just that your equations ran together, so it looked like you got c1=4c2=4.5c3=0 so that all of the coefficients were 0.

If you're going to use LaTeX for something like that, you should put the equations on separate lines. :)

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