Differential Equation Initial Value Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem involving a third-order differential equation: y''' + 4y' = x, with specified initial conditions y(0) = y'(0) = 0, and y''(0) = 1. The participants are exploring the methods for finding the general solution, which includes both the homogeneous and particular solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of finding the characteristic equation and roots, as well as the method for determining the particular solution. There are attempts to clarify the notation used for the general homogeneous solution and the approach to applying initial conditions. Some participants express uncertainty about their results and seek confirmation or correction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's work. There is a recognition of the need to correctly formulate the general solution before applying initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the particular solution, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the current approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants note variations in notation and methods, which may lead to confusion. There is mention of the complexity of the expressions derived during the solution process, with some participants indicating difficulties in achieving the correct form of the particular solution.

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Homework Statement



I managed to work this problem all the way through, but I am in no way certain of my answer. I'd greatly appreciate any insight!

Find the solution of the initial value problem.

y'''+4y'=x, y(0)=y'(0)=0, y''(0)=1

Homework Equations



Just for clarification purposes, my professor uses yc for the general homogeneous solution; I've seen yh used and didn't want to cause confusion.

fn(x)y(n)+fn-1(x)y(n-1)+...+f1(x)y'+f0(x)y=0

General solution: yc=c1y1(x)+c2y2(x)+...+cnyn(x)

The Attempt at a Solution



Note: m is used as the variable for characteristic equations rather than r, which I've also seen.

First, to find yc, I set the left side of the equation equal to zero and found the characteristic equation m3+4m=0, from which I found roots 0, 2i, -2i. I converted them into real solutions and ended up with yc=c1+c2cos(2x)+c3sin(2x).

To find c1 and c2, I took the first and second derivatives of yc and plugged in the initial values as given. I ended up with yc=(1/4)-(1/4)cos(2x).

Next, to find yp, I guessed yp=Ax3+Bx2+Cx+D and plugged its first and third derivatives into the original differential equation. I ended up finding A=0, B=1/8, C=-1/2. That gave me yp=(1/8)x2-(1/2)x.

I got the general solution to the heterogeneous differential equation y=yc+yp:
y=(1/4)-(1/4)cos(2x)+(1/8)x2-(1/2)x.
 
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heartilly89 said:

Homework Statement



I managed to work this problem all the way through, but I am in no way certain of my answer. I'd greatly appreciate any insight!

Find the solution of the initial value problem.

y'''+4y'=x, y(0)=y'(0)=0, y''(0)=1

Homework Equations



Just for clarification purposes, my professor uses yc for the general homogeneous solution; I've seen yh used and didn't want to cause confusion.

fn(x)y(n)+fn-1(x)y(n-1)+...+f1(x)y'+f0(x)y=0

General solution: yc=c1y1(x)+c2y2(x)+...+cnyn(x)

The Attempt at a Solution



Note: m is used as the variable for characteristic equations rather than r, which I've also seen.

First, to find yc, I set the left side of the equation equal to zero and found the characteristic equation m3+4m=0, from which I found roots 0, 2i, -2i. I converted them into real solutions and ended up with yc=c1+c2cos(2x)+c3sin(2x).

To find c1 and c2, I took the first and second derivatives of yc and plugged in the initial values as given. I ended up with yc=(1/4)-(1/4)cos(2x).

Next, to find yp, I guessed yp=Ax3+Bx2+Cx+D and plugged its first and third derivatives into the original differential equation. I ended up finding A=0, B=1/8, C=-1/2. That gave me yp=(1/8)x2-(1/2)x.

I got the general solution to the heterogeneous differential equation y=yc+yp:
y=(1/4)-(1/4)cos(2x)+(1/8)x2-(1/2)x.

I didn't check your work, but I can tell you that you must first write the general solution ##y = y_c + y_p## before you evaluate the constants with the initial conditions.
 
I thought that might be the case, but I tried it and came up with a bunch of long, crazy rational expressions with several radicals. I'll try again.

If anyone reading knows how to do it correctly, I'd be eternally grateful for your help!
 
Your ##y_p## isn't correct. You should get ##y_p = \frac{x^2} 8##. You can check that it works. And you won't get radicals anywhere.
 
I'll start working on getting it right now; thank you so much!
 

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