Differential equation problem: Solve dy/dx = (y^2 - 1)/(x^2 - 1), y(2) = 2

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The differential equation dy/dx = (y^2 - 1)/(x^2 - 1) is solved using separation of variables, leading to the solutions y = x and y = 1/x. However, only y = x satisfies the boundary condition y(2) = 2. The discussion highlights that both solutions satisfy the original ordinary differential equation (ODE), but the boundary condition restricts the valid solution to y = x. Additionally, the point (1,1) presents an indeterminate form, making the differential equation not well-defined at that point.

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Homework Statement
Solve dy/dx = (y^2 - 1)/(x^2 - 1), y(2) = 2
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dy/dx = (y^2 - 1)/(x^2 - 1), y(2) = 2
This is my attempt:
\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y^2 - 1}{x^2 - 1}<br /> \\ \int \frac{dy}{y^2 - 1} = \int \frac{dx}{x^2 - 1}<br /> \\ \ln \left| \frac{y-1}{y+1} \right| + C_1 = \ln \left| \frac{x-1}{x+1} \right| + C_2<br /> \\ \ln \left| \frac{y-1}{y+1} \right| = \ln \left| \frac{x-1}{x+1} \right| + C

Since y(2) = 2,
\ln \left| \frac{1}{3} \right| = \ln \left| \frac{1}{3} \right| + C<br /> \\ \therefore C = 0

So,
\ln \left| \frac{y-1}{y+1} \right| = \ln \left| \frac{x-1}{x+1} \right|<br /> \\ \left| \frac{y-1}{y+1} \right| = \left| \frac{x-1}{x+1} \right|<br /> \\ \frac{y-1}{y+1} = \pm \frac{x-1}{x+1}<br /> \\y = x, y = \frac{1}{x}

Is this ok, or did I make any mistake?
 
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Did you try inserting your solutions in the original ODE and boundary condition?
 
Orodruin said:
Did you try inserting your solutions in the original ODE and boundary condition?
Both y = x and y = 1/x satisfy the original ODE, but the boundary condition works for y = x only.
 
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murshid_islam said:
Both y = x and y = 1/x satisfy the original ODE, but the boundary condition works for y = x only.
Is that it? Is that why y = x is the only solution?
 
Yes.
 
murshid_islam said:
Both y = x and y = 1/x satisfy the original ODE, but the boundary condition works for y = x only.
murshid_islam said:
Is that it? Is that why y = x is the only solution?
If the boundary condition was ##y(1) = 1##, both ## y = x ## and ## y = \frac{1}{x} ## would be correct solutions, right?
 
murshid_islam said:
If the boundary condition was ##y(1) = 1##, both ## y = x ## and ## y = \frac{1}{x} ## would be correct solutions, right?
The differential equation is not well defined in (x,y) = (1,1) as you have an expression of the form 0/0 for dy/dx.
 
Orodruin said:
The differential equation is not well defined in (x,y) = (1,1) as you have an expression of the form 0/0 for dy/dx.
Oh yes. How did I not notice this? :headbang:
 
Murshid, did you check the other possibility of y=-x (from your first post) ?
 
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WWGD said:
Murshid, did you check the other possibility of y=-x (from your first post) ?
But my first post mentions only y=x and y=1/x
 
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murshid_islam said:
But my first post mentions only y=x and y=1/x
I understand , but notice your solution included a ## +/- ##
 
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WWGD said:
I understand , but notice your solution included a ## +/- ##
Yes, ## \frac{y-1}{y+1} = \frac{x-1}{x+1} ## leads to ## y = x ##, and ## \frac{y-1}{y+1} = - \frac{x-1}{x+1} ## leads to ## y = \frac{1}{x} ##
 
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Ok, it is not a solution to the original, I just wanted to ask if you had tested it.
 
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WWGD said:
Ok, it is not a solution to the original, I just wanted to ask if you had tested it.
Should I? I don't get this. Why should I test it if it's not a solution to the differential equation? Are you hinting something that I'm missing?
 
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murshid_islam said:
Should I? I don't get this. Why should I test it if it's not a solution to the differential equation? Are you hinting something that I'm missing?
My bad, i got confused by the +/- sign. Please disregard.
 

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