Differential Equation problem

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation problem involving the substitution \( y = vx \) and the transformation of the equation \( x^2 \frac{dy}{dx} = y^2 - 2x^2 \) into the form \( x \frac{dv}{dx} = (v-2)(v+1) \). Participants are attempting to solve this equation and express the solution as a function of \( y \) in the context of \( y > 2x > 0 \).

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to manipulate the equation and integrate it, with some expressing uncertainty about their methods and the notation used. There are questions about the correctness of the steps taken, particularly regarding the differentiation of \( y \) and the integration process.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using logarithmic properties to simplify expressions. There is ongoing exploration of the integration process, and while some participants have arrived at similar expressions for \( y \), there is no consensus on the correctness of these expressions compared to the textbook answer.

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Participants mention constraints such as missing information and the challenge of recalling notes or textbooks during the discussion. There is also a reference to potential discrepancies between their results and the textbook's answer.

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Homework Statement



Substituition y=vx , differential equation x2dy/dx = y2-2x2 can be show in the form x dv/dx = (v-2)(v+1)

Hence , solve the differential equation x dv/dx = (v-2)(v+1) ,expressing answer in the form of y as a function of x in the case where y > 2x > 0 .


The Attempt at a Solution



I can only show the equation ,but can't solve the equation as the answer is y =x(2+Ax2) / (1-Ax2)

TQ.
 
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Show us what you tried so far.
 
vela said:
Show us what you tried so far.

I start after from my showing.
x dv/dx = (v-2)(v+1)
dv/dx = (v-2)(v+1) / x
dx/dv = x / (v-x)(v+1)
1/x dx = 1 / (v-2)(v+1) dv

Then I start to integrate , I am still new , so I don't know how to use to type the symbol.Sorry for the inconvenience.

1/x dx = 1/3 ( (1 / (v-2) )- ( 1/ (v+1) ) -----(1/3 from partial fraction )
ln x + c = 1/3 ln (v-2) - ln (v+1)
ln x + c = 1/3 ln (v-2)/(v+1)

Then I forgot know how to continue as i left my exercise book at home. I can only done so far.Then how could I continue ?
 
hibernator said:
I start after from my showing.
x dv/dx = (v-2)(v+1)
This is wrong. If y= xv then dy/dx= x dv/dx+ v, not just x dv/dx.

-dv/dx = (v-2)(v+1) / x
dx/dv = x / (v-x)(v+1)
1/x dx = 1 / (v-2)(v+1) dv

Then I start to integrate , I am still new , so I don't know how to use to type the symbol.Sorry for the inconvenience.

1/x dx = 1/3 ( (1 / (v-2) )- ( 1/ (v+1) ) -----(1/3 from partial fraction )
ln x + c = 1/3 ln (v-2) - ln (v+1)
ln x + c = 1/3 ln (v-2)/(v+1)

Then I forgot know how to continue as i left my exercise book at home. I can only done so far.Then how could I continue ?
 
HallsofIvy said:
This is wrong. If y= xv then dy/dx= x dv/dx+ v, not just x dv/dx.

no , I have done using dy/dx= x dv/dx+ v, from the equation x2dy/dx = y2-2x2 .
 
Use the properties of logarithms:
[tex]\begin{align*}<br /> \log ab &= \log a + \log b \\<br /> b \log a &= \log a^b<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]
and exponentiate to get rid of the logs.
 
Applying the properties of logarithm, i get
y= x(2+Ax^3)/1-Ax^3
which is supposed to be 'Ax^2?' HmMm.
 
median27 said:
Applying the properties of logarithm, i get
y= x(2+Ax^3)/1-Ax^3
which is supposed to be 'Ax^2?' HmMm.

Same answer as mine.I got y= x(2+Ax^3)/1-Ax^3 .But the textbook's anwser is saying that 'Ax^2.The textbook probably wrong?
 
It's straightforward enough to check. Just plug your answer back into the original differential equation and see if it works.
 
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vela said:
It's straightforward enough to check. Just plug your answer back into the original differential equation and see if it works.

I will try , thank you so much for your help ^^
 

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