Differential equation (product/quotient)

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The discussion revolves around the application of the quotient rule and product rule in calculus, specifically in the context of differentiating functions that involve products and quotients. Participants are exploring the correct application of these rules in their calculations.

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate a function using the quotient rule but expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the correct application of the rules. They also question whether to apply the product rule before the quotient rule in certain cases.

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Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's calculations, noting a potential typo and clarifying the order of differentiation in the quotient rule. There is an ongoing exploration of whether the problem fits within the context of differential equations, with some participants suggesting it may not be appropriate for that category.

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Participants are navigating terminology and concepts related to calculus, indicating a possible lack of familiarity with the rules being discussed. There is also a mention of the original poster's uncertainty about the classification of their problem within the forum's categories.

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I have several questions, so i'll post these as i go.

1.

y = (5x+2)2/((x+5)3)2

u = (5x+2)2
u' = 7(5x+3)6 . (5)
v = (x+5)3
v' = (3(x+5)2).(1)

Quotient = (u(x)*v'(x) - v(x)* u'(x) / v(x)2)

(5x+2)7 . 3(x+5)2 - (x+5)3 . 7(5x+5)6 .(5) / ((x+5)3)2

[ If i knew how to put this under i would ]

What have i done wrong here? not exactly sure ;s

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2.

If i have an equation with 2 brackets on the numerator, and only 1 on the denominator will i use the product rule for the numerator then the quotient? Or, will i expand the brackets then use the quotient rule?

Example:

(4x+9)(6x+1) / (8x+3)

u = (4x+9)(6x+1)
u' = (4x+9)(6) + (6x+1)(4)
v = (8x+3)
v' = (8)

Am i doing the right thing here? Any advice will help thank you.
[If my question is not clear please tell me]

Thanks in advance, recoil33
 
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recoil33 said:
u = (5x+2)2
u' = 7(5x+3)6 . (5)


I'm assuming there's a typo-- u=(5x+2)^{7}, right?

recoil33 said:
Quotient = (u(x)*v'(x) - v(x)* u'(x) / v(x)2)



The quotient rule is (u'(x)*v(x)-u(x)*v'(x))\over (v(x))^{2}; you reversed the order of differentiation. You take the derivative of the function in the numerator first.

recoil33 said:
If i have an equation with 2 brackets on the numerator, and only 1 on the denominator will i use the product rule for the numerator then the quotient? Or, will i expand the brackets then use the quotient rule?


You can do it either way. The work you posted is correct.
 
But what do they have to do with differential equations?
 
@ JThompson

Yes, the equation was sapose to be

u = (5x +2)7
u' = 7(5x+2)6

The equation will be incorrect if i accidently put u'(x)*v(x) and v'(x)*u(x) in the wrong order?

@Hallsofivy

Sorry, bit new to the terminology of the mathematics.

I guess it's not a differential equation?, although was it in the right section? (calc and beyond)


Thanks JThomas for your help and thanks for your input ivy ;)
 
recoil33 said:
The equation will be incorrect if i accidently put u'(x)*v(x) and v'(x)*u(x) in the wrong order?

Yes. The derivative will be of the opposite sign.
v'(x)*u(x)-u'(x)*v(x)= -(u'(x)*v(x)-v'(x)u(x))

Good luck.
 

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