Differential equation to homogenous linear equation.

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation y' = y cot(x) + sin(x) and whether it can be transformed into a homogeneous linear format. Participants explore various methods to manipulate the equation and seek clarification on the general solution.

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  • Participants discuss the possibility of reducing the equation to a homogeneous linear form and explore different substitution methods. There are attempts to identify the integrating factor and questions about the correctness of derived solutions. Some participants express confusion regarding the integration constant and its representation in the general solution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. There is a recognition of mistakes made in earlier attempts, and some participants are re-evaluating their approaches based on feedback. The exploration of whether certain proposed solutions satisfy the original equation continues.

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Participants note discrepancies between their derived solutions and the provided answer choices, leading to questions about the validity of those options. There is also mention of the need to verify solutions by substituting back into the original equation.

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can this equation y, = ycot(x) + sin(x) be reduced to a homogenous linear format? If yes, how?
I tried the usual y=xv and the x=X+h, y=Y+k but doesn't seem to be working. Any ideas?

Thanks

just realized its in the form of dx/dy+Px=Q so I solved it by multiplying on B.S. by e∫Pdx and the solution I got was y=cosec(x) - cos(x) + cot (x)/2, but this is not given in the options. Did I go wrong somewhere?
 
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JonNash said:
Did I go wrong somewhere?
Yes, you went wrong somewhere. We cannot say where since we don't know what you did in full details.
 
JJacquelin said:
Yes, you went wrong somewhere. We cannot say where since we don't know what you did in full details.

Well, to reduce the equation to a homogeneous linear equation which is in the form of dy/dx + Py = Q we multiply it on both sides with e∫Pdx (at least to my understanding). In this case P = -cotx, hence the IF becomes e∫cot(x)dx which becomes e-ln|sin(x)| which then becomes just 1/sin(x) so we have y/sinx=x, that means y=xsinx. Is this right? and moreover I need to find the general solution with C as the integration constant and have no idea how to do that. Can you now tell me please where I went haywire?

BTW JJacquelin, thanks coz after reading your comment I rechecked and realized that I made a huge mistake with the sign convention and redid the whole problem but I think I am almost there now. Just need the general solution with C as the integration constant.

Thanks.
 
Wait, I integrated 1 which resulted in that x before sinx. That means any constant present there would be the integration constant and the general solution is to replace that x with C. So the general solution would be y = Csinx. Am I right?
 
Your message #3 is OK : y=x*sin(x) is a particular solution.
But, sorry to say, the message #4 is full of confusion. If you bring back y=Csin(x) into the equation y'=ycot(x)+sin(x) what do you obtain ? Is it correct ?
 
JJacquelin said:
Your message #3 is OK : y=x*sin(x) is a particular solution.
But, sorry to say, the message #4 is full of confusion. If you bring back y=Csin(x) into the equation y'=ycot(x)+sin(x) what do you obtain ? Is it correct ?

If I put y=Csin(x) in y,=ycot(x)+sin(x) I get y,=Ccos(x)+sin(x)
The question specifies that there is a general solution with C as the integration constant. Trouble is my understanding of integration constants says that the general solution should be (in this case) y=(x+C)*sin(x) because I integrated 1 at RHS which gives x+C and the denominator at the LHS was y/sin(x) taking it to the RHS we should have y=(x+C)*sin(x) (I don't know if this substitutes as a general solution) but the choices I have are
a) y=cos(Cx)
b) y=sin(Cx)
c) y=Ccos(x)
d) y=Csin(x)
None of these have a "+C" as the integration constant, all are multiplied with C, how does that happen?
 
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JonNash said:
If I put y=Csin(x) in y,=ycot(x)+sin(x) I get y,=Ccos(x)+sin(x)
No, you didn't put it completely. If you put y=Csin(x) in y,=ycot(x)+sin(x) you get Ccos(x)=Ccos(x)+sin(x) because y'=Ccos(x). You see that the result is false because Ccos(x) is not equal to Ccos(x)+sin(x). This shows that y=Csin(x) is not the general solution of the equation y,=ycot(x)+sin(x)
Now, put y=(x+C)*sin(x) in y,=ycot(x)+sin(x) and see if the equality is obtained or not. Then you will be able to conclude if y=(x+C)*sin(x) is the general solution or not.
 
JJacquelin said:
No, you didn't put it completely. If you put y=Csin(x) in y,=ycot(x)+sin(x) you get Ccos(x)=Ccos(x)+sin(x) because y'=Ccos(x). You see that the result is false because Ccos(x) is not equal to Ccos(x)+sin(x). This shows that y=Csin(x) is not the general solution of the equation y,=ycot(x)+sin(x)
Now, put y=(x+C)*sin(x) in y,=ycot(x)+sin(x) and see if the equality is obtained or not. Then you will be able to conclude if y=(x+C)*sin(x) is the general solution or not.

If I put y=(x+C)sinx then y,=xcosx+sinx+Ccosx and when I substitute in y,=ycotx+sinx we have xcosx+sinx+Ccosx on both sides. Hence equality is obtained. But it is still not among the given options? :cry::confused:
 
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The given options are wrong.

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And I'll say even more: "All the given options are wrong" :devil:
 
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