Differential equation w/o an x variable

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation of the form y' = ay - by². Participants are exploring whether this equation is linear and discussing methods for solving it, including the use of integrating factors and partial fractions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to determine if the equation is linear and discussing the appropriate methods for solving it, such as integrating factors and separation of variables. Questions are raised about the manipulation of terms and the application of partial fractions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of partial fractions and the manipulation of logarithmic expressions, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct solution.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of methods and the handling of constants of integration. Participants express uncertainty about their manipulations and the correctness of their results.

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Homework Statement


y\prime = ay - by^{2}


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The Attempt at a Solution



Is this a linear DOE? If so when I use the integrating factor method, would the int. factor be
e^{-a\int?} ? would it by dy or dx? I think I'm missing the big picture with this process.
 
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Have you tried factoring out the y, dividing over, and partial fractions?
 
Hmm... Well when I factor out y and divide I get

\frac{y\prime}{y} = a - by?

can I integrate with that y on the other side still?
 
No

Try factoring more like this:

<br /> ay-by^{2}=y(a-by)<br />

Divide by the whole thing on the right and try partial fractions
 
I don't see how that will work... I'm confused.
 
Sooo...

<br /> \int\frac{dy}{y(a-yb)}=\int dx<br />

Do you understand how to do the left side? Use partial fractions
 
OK so I did the partial fractions took the integral and then did some moving around of logs to get y = \frac{a^{2}}{e^{x} + ab} Does that look close to anything you might have gotten. I'm not super confident in how I manipulated the logs.
 
robbondo said:
OK so I did the partial fractions took the integral and then did some moving around of logs to get y = \frac{a^{2}}{e^{x} + ab} Does that look close to anything you might have gotten. I'm not super confident in how I manipulated the logs.


Maybe, you should get an e somewhere in your answer. If I have time later maybe I'll check it for you.
 
Nope, doesn't look quite right. And you're missing a constant of integration. Can you show more work?
 
  • #10
If you even show your partial fractions that you created, it'd be very helpful
 
  • #11
So, when I did the separation of variables I got
\frac{1}{a} \int{\frac{dy}{y}} + \frac{b}{a} \int{\frac{dy}{a-by}} = \int{dx}

then when I took the integrals I get

\ln{y^{-a}} - \ln{(a-by)^{-a}} = x + c

so then I messed around and combined the logs into a fraction, and since they were both to the -a I just switched to put the a-by on top and the a y on the bottom, then i took the whole thing to the power of e to get rid of the ln, and then brought the a out to the front.

a(\frac{a-by}{y}) = e^{x+c} then multiplying a into the fraction and solvinf for y I get

\frac{a^{2}}{e^{x+c} + ab } = y

where'd I screw up? :)
 
  • #12
Put the a over on the dx side first. And I don't know how it turned into a '-a'. That 'a' should wind up inside the exponential.
 
  • #13
I didn't mean separation of variable, I mean partial fractions... sorry
 
  • #14
yeah multiplying that a makes it much simpler...

So then I get

\int{\frac{dy}{y}} + b\int{\frac{dy}{a-by}} = a \int{dx}

then I get

\ln\{\frac{y}{a-by}} = ax + c

then raised to the e

\frac{y}{a-by} = ce^{ax}

so then when i solve for y I get y = \frac{ace^{ax}}{1+bce^{ac}}
 
  • #15
That looks much better.
 
  • #16
Thanks!
 

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