Differential Equations - Logistic Model

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The discussion revolves around the logistic growth model represented by the differential equation dP/dt = kP(1 - P/A). Participants are exploring the relationship between the general solution and a specific example provided in a calculus textbook, which presents a similar logistic equation with defined parameters.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the solution for P in terms of t and expresses confusion regarding the transition from their general equation to the specific form given in the textbook. Other participants discuss the separability of the equation and suggest integration techniques, while questioning the steps taken by the original poster.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights into the integration process and the manipulation of logarithmic expressions. There is a focus on clarifying the steps involved in solving the equation for P, with some guidance offered on how to approach the integration and simplification.

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There is mention of specific initial conditions and constants from the textbook example, which may not align with the original poster's equation. The discussion highlights potential discrepancies in understanding the integration process and the resulting forms of the equations.

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I have the equation dP/dt = kP(1 - P/A). It is supposed to describe a logistical situatuon involving the carrying capacity of the system.

k is a constant, and A is the carrying capacity of the system. t is time and P is population as a function of time. P(0) = P0. I solved c (the integration constant) to be:

c = -ln|(P0)/(A - P0)|

I'm trying to solve the equation in terms of t.

In my calculus book, a similar equation is given with an explanation.

dP/dt = 0.1P(1 - P/300)

With an initial condition of P(0) = 50, c is found to be ln(1/5). A = 300 and k = 0.1.

I follow along well up to this point.

After solving for c, the book lists the rearranged equation as:

P(t) = 300/(1 + 5e-0.1t)

I don't understand how they went from one equation to the other, the closest I could come with the general equation was:

P(t) = (Aekt + Q)/(1 + ekt) where Q = (P0)/(A - P0)

Which would coincide with an equation of:

(300e0.1t + .2)/(1 + e0.1t)

Which, when graphed, is not equivalent to the equation given by the book.

Can anyone go over how to solve the general equation? I think I'm missing some crucial point.

Thank you!
 
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This equation is separable - meaning that you can get all of the terms involving P on one side (including dP), all of the terms involving t on the other (including dt), and integrate both sides.

So we write the equation as

\left(\frac{1}{P} + \frac{1/A}{1-P/A}\right)\ dP = k\ dt

Integrate both sides to get ln|P| - ln|1-P/A| = kt + c, take the exponential of both sides, and you'll get your answer
 
That's what I've done. I'm trying to solve for P, and I can't figure out where my method diverges from the book's explanation.

I was hoping someone could show me the steps to solving for P, so I can figure out where my error lies.
 
Well, exp(ln|P|-ln|1-P/A|) = exp(kt + c)

The right hand side simplifies to exp(kt+c) = exp(kt)*exp(c) = C exp(kt), where C is a constant that we'll determine later.

The left hand side simplifies to exp(ln|P|-ln|1-P/A|) = exp(ln|P|) exp(-ln|1-P/A|) = P/(1-P/A)

So P/(1-P/A) =C exp(kt)
P = (A-P) C exp(kt)/A
P = AC exp(kt) - (PC/A)exp(kt)
P + (PC/A) exp(kt) = AC exp(kt)
P(1 + C/A exp(kt)) = AC exp(kt)
P = AC exp(kt)/(1+C/A exp(kt))

Multiplying the numerator and denominator of the RHS by exp(-kt)

P = AC/(exp(-kt) + C/A)
 

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