Differential Equations: Separable Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation of the form dy/dx = x/(y^2√(1+x)). Participants are exploring the integration of both sides after separating the variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the separation of variables and integration attempts, with some noting a potential error in the original setup. There are questions about the integration of the right-hand side and the use of substitution methods.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided guidance on the integration process and substitution techniques. There is an ongoing exploration of how to handle the integration of the right-hand side, with various interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the substitution method and how to derive the necessary differential elements. There is a recognition of missing steps in the integration process, particularly regarding the manipulation of variables.

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Homework Statement


Solve the equation

dy/dx = x/(y^2√(1+x))


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I separated them:
y^2 dy = dx/√(1+x)

I then integrated the dy side, I got (1/3)y^3 + C. I am stuck at integrating the dx side. Thanks in advance!
 
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KallKoll said:

Homework Statement


Solve the equation

dy/dx = x/(y^2√(1+x))


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I separated them:
y^2 dy = dx/√(1+x)

I then integrated the dy side, I got (1/3)y^3 + C. I am stuck at integrating the dx side. Thanks in advance!

Shouldn't that be ##\int y^2dy = \int \frac{x}{\sqrt{1+x}}dx##?

For the RHS, try ##u^2 = 1 + x##.
 
KallKoll said:

Homework Statement


Solve the equation

dy/dx = x/(y^2√(1+x))


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I separated them:
y^2 dy = dx/√(1+x)

I then integrated the dy side, I got (1/3)y^3 + C. I am stuck at integrating the dx side. Thanks in advance!


You dropped an x from the numerator on the right side.
 
Yes that should be, thank you. How does the u^2 work?
 
KallKoll said:
Yes that should be, thank you. How does the u^2 work?

Did you try it? Post what you have. Latex formatted please.
 
Curious3141 said:
Shouldn't that be ##\int y^2dy = \int \frac{x}{\sqrt{1+x}}dx##?

For the RHS, try ##u^2 = 1 + x##.

Curious3141 said:
Did you try it? Post what you have. Latex formatted please.

Well, I set [itex]\sqrt{1+x}[/itex] = u. Then I set u2 = 1 + x. But I don't understand how to get du from that or how that helps with getting rid of the x on top.
 
KallKoll said:
Well, I set [itex]\sqrt{1+x}[/itex] = u. Then I set u2 = 1 + x. But I don't understand how to get du from that or how that helps with getting rid of the x on top.

[tex] \frac{x}{\sqrt{1 +x}} = \frac{u^2 - 1}{u} = u - \frac1u \\[/tex]
 
KallKoll said:
Well, I set [itex]\sqrt{1+x}[/itex] = u. Then I set u2 = 1 + x. But I don't understand how to get du from that or how that helps with getting rid of the x on top.
From [itex]u^2= 1+ x[/itex], [itex]x= u^2- 1[/itex] and [itex]2u du= dx[/itex] so
[tex]\int \frac{xdx}{\sqrt{1+ x}}= \int \frac{(u^2- 1)(2udu)}{u}= 2\int (u^2- 1) du[/tex]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
From [itex]u^2= 1+ x[/itex], [itex]x= u^2- 1[/itex] and [itex]2u du= dx[/itex] so
[tex]\int \frac{xdx}{\sqrt{1+ x}}= \int \frac{(u^2- 1)(2udu)}{u}= 2\int (u^2- 1) du[/tex]

Thank you so much!
 

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