Differential equations with complex functions?

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The discussion revolves around solving differential equations with complex functions, specifically in the context of the Schrödinger equation. Participants explore methods for addressing these equations, the role of complex analysis, and recommend literature on the subject.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods for solving differential equations with complex unknown functions, suggesting the use of complex function theory such as Laurent series and Cauchy integrals.
  • Another participant clarifies that the wave function in the Schrödinger equation is a complex-valued function of real variables, and that complex analysis is not necessary for solving these equations.
  • It is proposed that complex constants can be treated similarly to real constants in differential equations.
  • Several participants recommend books on the topic, including "Ordinary Differential Equations in the Complex Domain" by Einar Hille, while noting a lack of comprehensive resources on partial differential equations.
  • One participant mentions learning about contour integral approaches from a different book, suggesting that these methods can be useful for asymptotic expansions.
  • Another participant expresses nostalgia for classic texts on differential equations, noting their value despite being out of fashion.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of complex analysis for solving the Schrödinger equation, with some arguing it is not required while others suggest exploring complex function theory. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach and resources for learning.

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Some participants highlight the limitations of current literature on complex methods and partial differential equations, indicating a potential gap in accessible resources for beginners.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in differential equations, complex analysis, and quantum mechanics, particularly those seeking resources or methods for solving related equations.

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Hi folks,

When you have a differential equation and the unknown function is complex, like in the Schrödinger equation, What methods should you use to solve it?

I mean, there is a theory of complex functions, Laurent series, Cauchy integrals and so on, I guess if it would be possible to integrate directly you could solve the equation using these methods but if you can't integrate directly, Do you just separate the equation in real and imaginary parts and then solve them separately?

If you know any book explaining how to solve differential equations that have complex unkown functions would be great!
 
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The unknown function (the wave function) in the Schrödinger equation is a complex valued function of real variables. The derivatives are with respect to the real variables representing time and space; they are not with respect to complex variables so complex analysis (which deals with functions of complex variables) is not required.

You can solve these kinds of equations the same way you solve the differential equations you presumably already know, but just allow for complex constants. For example, solutions of
[tex] \frac{df}{dt} = i a f[/tex]
for a [itex]f[/itex] a complex valued function of the real variable [itex]t[/itex] are of the form
[tex] f(t) = C \, e^{i a t}[/tex]
where in general [itex]C[/itex] can be complex, depending on the initial conditions.

No special book required for this topic.

jason
 
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I understand.

So you can consider i as just a constant like the mass?
 
My favorite such book is
Ordinary Differential Equations in the Complex Domain by Einar Hille
I wish there were a comparable book on partial differential equations.
Books on applied mathematics, differential equations, and and complex methods touch on this but not in great detail.
Obviously books on quantum mechanics spend a lot of time solving the Schrödinger equation and books on other topics spend time solving their equations as well.
As you point out there are obvious things to try extending real methods or splitting complex functions into parts.
 
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jonjacson said:
I understand.

So you can consider i as just a constant like the mass?
Yep.
 
lurflurf said:
My favorite such book is
Ordinary Differential Equations in the Complex Domain by Einar Hille
I wish there were a comparable book on partial differential equations.
Books on applied mathematics, differential equations, and and complex methods touch on this but not in great detail.
That looks like an interesting, although not easy, book. I've only learned some of the basics, like contour integral approaches (almost like a generalized Laplace transform representation) that I first learned from Budden's "Propagation of Radio Waves". Very useful for getting representations for asymptotic expansions. Ince's classic book also covers this as well as other relevant topics int he second part of the book, but it is old-fashioned and difficult reading (at least for me).

I don't think the OP needs this if they are just starting out with the Schrödinger equation, though.

Jason
 
It is a shame that books like A treatise on differential equations by Andrew Russell Forsyth and the Hille and Ince books are out of fashion. They are full of gems. Funny how as we develop new methods we loose old ones. Kids today can use iphones but do they know how to skin a rabbit?
 
Thanks for all the answers folks.

lurflurf if you like classics you can read George Boole, I know it is more than 1 hundred years old but still a nice book!
 

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