Differential forms and differential operators

In summary: Why the laplacian wasn't mentioned in the stretch? The laplacian can be used in the theory of closed and exact forms?I think that the laplacian is not going to be directly related to the concept of a "first derivative operator".
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After read this stretch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_and_exact_forms#Vector_field_analogies, my doubts increased exponentially...
1. A scalar field correspond always to a 0-form?
1.1. The laplacian of 0-form is a 2-form?
1.2. But the laplacian of sclar field is another scalar field.
1.3. If yes, we have a scalar field 2-form, thus scalar field can be k-form.
2. Exist (-1)-form?
3. Exist 4-form?
4. How know if a vector field (and a scalar field too) is a 0-form, 1-form, 2-form, 3-form or k-form?
5. If the gradient of a 0-form is zero, so, this 0-form is closed?
5.1. Which the name given for a scalar field that have gradient zero?
5.3. Which are your the properties?
6. A 3-form can be exact?
7. A 3-form can be closed?
8. Why the laplacian wasn't mentioned in the stretch? The laplacian can be used in the theory of closed and exact forms?
8.1. If the laplacian of a vector field is zero, the vector field is called harmonic; if the laplacian of a scalar field is zero, so the scalar field is called harmonic, correct?
9. d²=0 but ∇²≠0
10. If a vector field F can be expressed as F=∇²G, so, what is G?
11. If a scalar field f can be expressed as f=∇²g, so, what is g?
 
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Jhenrique said:
After read this stretch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_and_exact_forms#Vector_field_analogies, my doubts increased exponentially...
1. A scalar field correspond always to a 0-form?
Yes, this is true.

1.1. The laplacian of 0-form is a 2-form?
No, this is not true.

1.2. But the laplacian of sclar field is another scalar field.
Yes, it is the trace of a 2-form, not a 2-form.

1.3. If yes, we have a scalar field 2-form, thus scalar field can be k-form.

2. Exist (-1)-form?
Some texts will consider the trivial vector space that contains only the 0 vector to be a "-1 form", but it has no useful application.

3. Exist 4-form?
If you are working only with R3, then no, but yes, you can have any integer "n-forms", if the underlying space is of high enough dimension.

4. How know if a vector field (and a scalar field too) is a 0-form, 1-form, 2-form, 3-form or k-form?[/quote]

5. If the gradient of a 0-form is zero, so, this 0-form is closed?
Yes.

5.1. Which the name given for a scalar field that have gradient zero?
A "closed" field.

5.3. Which are your the properties?
Well, I own one property in Alabama and another in ... wait, what?

6. A 3-form can be exact?
Yes, if there is a 2 form of which it is the gradient.

7. A 3-form can be closed?
Yes, if its gradient is 0.

8. Why the laplacian wasn't mentioned in the stretch? The laplacian can be used in the theory of closed and exact forms?
The Laplacian is, as above, the trace of a second derivative operator. It's not going to be directly connected with first derivative operators.

8.1. If the laplacian of a vector field is zero, the vector field is called harmonic; if the laplacian of a scalar field is zero, so the scalar field is called harmonic, correct?
Yes.

9. d²=0 but ∇²≠0
? What?

10. If a vector field F can be expressed as F=∇²G, so, what is G?
If you mean [itex]\nabla^2[/itex] to indicate the Laplacian, a vector field cannot be expressed in such a way.

11. If a scalar field f can be expressed as f=∇²g, so, what is g?
Again, if you mean [itex]\nabla^2[/itex] to indicate the Laplacian, g is some smooth scalar field.
g is some scalar field.
 
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Halls, in physics, electrodynamics to be precise, we have laplacians of vector fields (like the electric field intensity E), not necessarily of scalar fields.

11. g = (∇2)-1 f
 
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2. Exist (-1)-form?
Some texts will consider the trivial vector space that contains only the 0 vector to be a "-1 form", but it has no useful application.
So no make sense says that a 0-form is exact?

Well, I own one property in Alabama and another in ... wait, what?
I said in the sense of mathematical property, for example, if the curl of a vector field is zero, so this vector fields is irrotational, if the divergent is zero, so is incompressible. In the same way, if the gradient of a scalar field is zero, this scalar field have some special property?

6. A 3-form can be exact?
Yes, if there is a 2 form of which it is the gradient.
But, like you said, scalar field is always a 0-form, and you just compute gradient of scalar field, and the gradient of 0-form is always an 1-form, therefore, how can a 3-form be the result of a gradient of a 0-form?

I think that a 3-form is exact if exist a 2-form such that the divergent of this 2-form results the 3-form...

7. A 3-form can be closed?
Yes, if its gradient is 0.
But the gradient is a operator for differentiate scalar fields, so, if is possible to apply the gradient in a 3-form, thus 3-form is a scalar field, but scalar field can be only 0-form. This is a contradiction!

8. Why the laplacian wasn't mentioned in the stretch? The laplacian can be used in the theory of closed and exact forms?
The Laplacian is, as above, the trace of a second derivative operator. It's not going to be directly connected with first derivative operators.
And the Hessian, is connected with the theory of differential form?

10. If a vector field F can be expressed as F=∇²G, so, what is G?
If you mean ∇² to indicate the Laplacian, a vector field cannot be expressed in such a way.
Why not? The laplacian can be applied in a scalar and in a vector too.

EDIT: for this question, consider F and G too as vectors!

11. If a scalar field f can be expressed as f=∇²g, so, what is g?
Again, if you mean ∇2 to indicate the Laplacian, g is some smooth scalar field.
g is some scalar field.

For, 10 and 11, I thought this way: given this equation ##\vec{f}=\vec{\nabla}f##, ##\vec{f}## is called conservative and ##f## is called scalar potential; for this equation ##\vec{F} =\vec{\nabla}\times \vec{f}##, ##\vec{F}## is called solenoidal, and ##\vec{f}## is called vector potential.

So, analogously, given this equation ##f=\nabla^2 g##, ##f## f is called harmonic and ##g## I don't know; now for this equation: ##\vec{f}=\nabla^2\vec{g}##, ##\vec{f}## is called harmonic and ##\vec{g}## I don't know. But I'd like to know the name those guys for that I can search about.
 
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Jhenrique said:
So no make sense says that a 0-form is exact?

Right, it doesn't make sense.

I said in the sense of mathematical property, for example, if the curl of a vector field is zero, so this vector fields is irrotational, if the divergent is zero, so is incompressible. In the same way, if the gradient of a scalar field is zero, this scalar field have some special property?

A scalar field who's gradient is 0 is a constant field.

But, like you said, scalar field is always a 0-form, and you just compute gradient of scalar field, and the gradient of 0-form is always an 1-form, therefore, how can a 3-form be the result of a gradient of a 0-form?

I think that a 3-form is exact if exist a 2-form such that the divergent of this 2-form results the 3-form...

A 3 form is exact if it is the exterior derivative of a 2-form. Gradient might be a little bit confusing terminology wise.

But the gradient is a operator for differentiate scalar fields, so, if is possible to apply the gradient in a 3-form, thus 3-form is a scalar field, but scalar field can be only 0-form. This is a contradiction!

Replace "gradient" with "exterior derivative". "Gradient" is, in my opinion, confusing terminology to use here.

And the Hessian, is connected with the theory of differential form?
I've never seen the Hessian generalized through the use of differential forms. (Doesn't mean such a generalization doesn't exist, I just have never seen it).

Why not? The laplacian can be applied in a scalar and in a vector too.

I'll let Halls answer this one, as I don't even know where you're trying to go with your original question #10.

EDIT: for this question, consider F and G too as vectors!
For, 10 and 11, I thought this way: given this equation ##\vec{f}=\vec{\nabla}f##, ##\vec{f}## is called conservative and ##f## is called scalar potential; for this equation ##\vec{F} =\vec{\nabla}\times \vec{f}##, ##\vec{F}## is called solenoidal, and ##\vec{f}## is called vector potential.

So, analogously, given this equation ##f=\nabla^2 g##, ##f## f is called harmonic and ##g## I don't know; now for this equation: ##\vec{f}=\nabla^2\vec{g}##, ##\vec{f}## is called harmonic and ##\vec{g}## I don't know. But I'd like to know the name those guys for that I can search about.

The names you give them "vector potential" and "scalar potential" are exclusive for electrodynamics (and sometimes used in other fields where an analogy to electrodynamics is drawn). They are not general names given to these vectors and scalars. In general, these things don't really have designated names other than "scalar field" and "vector field".
 

1. What are differential forms?

Differential forms are mathematical objects used in multivariable calculus and differential geometry to describe geometric properties of a space. They can be thought of as a generalization of vectors and matrices to higher dimensions. Differential forms are used to describe quantities such as length, area, and volume in a coordinate-independent manner.

2. What are differential operators?

Differential operators are mathematical operators that act on functions to produce new functions. They are typically represented by symbols such as ∇ (the gradient operator) and ∂ (the partial derivative operator). Differential operators are used to calculate rates of change, find extrema, and solve differential equations.

3. What is the difference between a differential form and a differential operator?

A differential form is a mathematical object used to describe geometric properties of a space, while a differential operator is a mathematical operator used to manipulate functions. In other words, differential forms are the objects that differential operators act on.

4. How are differential forms and differential operators used in physics?

In physics, differential forms and differential operators are used to describe physical quantities such as force, energy, and momentum. They are also used in the study of fields, such as electric and magnetic fields, and in the formulation of physical laws, such as Maxwell's equations.

5. What are some common applications of differential forms and differential operators?

Differential forms and differential operators have numerous applications in various fields of mathematics and physics. Some common applications include solving differential equations, studying geometric properties of manifolds, calculating rates of change and extrema, and formulating physical laws and equations in physics.

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