Differential/Integration equation manipulation

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The discussion revolves around solving two differential equations. The first equation involves manipulating the expression dy/dx = x(y²+3)/y, while the second equation is dy/dx = x²y with an initial condition y(1) = 1.

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  • Participants discuss separating variables for both equations. The original poster attempts to manipulate the first equation using substitution but expresses uncertainty about the approach. Others suggest separating variables as a clearer method. For the second equation, the original poster outlines their steps and seeks validation of their reasoning.

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Some participants affirm that both equations are separable and provide guidance on how to approach the integration. There is a mix of attempts and confirmations regarding the methods used, particularly for the second equation, where initial conditions are noted as a next step.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating functions of y and x, with some noting the challenges of integrating without knowing certain functions. The initial conditions for the second equation are also highlighted as a critical aspect of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



a) Solve the differential equation
dy/dx = x(y2+3)/y

b) Find the unique function y(x) satisfying the differential equation with initial
condition
dy/dx = x2y, y(1) = 1

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


With question a) I am no entirely sure but I have done
dy/dx = x(y2+3)/y
Let u = y2+3/y
So dy/dx = x.u
Integral of (dy/dx) = Integral (x.u)
y = x2u2/2
Then sub it back in. I'm not entirely sure


With question b) I have done
dy/dx = x2y
dy . 1/y = x2dx
integral of(1/y dx) = x3/3 + c
Ln y = x3 /3 + c

I am not sure if I am on the right track,
I would appreciate any help.
Thanks
 
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For a), try putting all the 'y's by the dy and all the x's by the dx like you did in part b

Part b is correct. Now just sub in the condition y(1)=1
 
as rock points out, they're both separable
 
orangesun said:

Homework Statement



a) Solve the differential equation
dy/dx = x(y2+3)/y
This is equivalent to
\frac{y}{y^2+ 3} dy= x dx
Integrate both sides.

b) Find the unique function y(x) satisfying the differential equation with initial
condition
dy/dx = x2y, y(1) = 1

Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


With question a) I am no entirely sure but I have done
dy/dx = x(y2+3)/y
Let u = y2+3/y
So dy/dx = x.u
Integral of (dy/dx) = Integral (x.u)
y = x2u2/2
Then sub it back in. I'm not entirely sure
No, \int (dy/dx) dx= \int x u dx but u is a function of y which is a function of x itself so you really have \int x f(x)dx which cannot be integrated since you don't know "f(x)". Instead separate, as I suggested, and integrate the function of y with respect to y, the function of x with respect to x.

With question b) I have done
dy/dx = x2y
dy . 1/y = x2dx
integral of(1/y dx) = x3/3 + c
Ln y = x3 /3 + c

I am not sure if I am on the right track,
I would appreciate any help.
Thanks
Yes, what you have done for this is correct. Now, use the condition that when x= 1, y= 1 to solve ln(1)= 0= 13/2+ c for c.
 

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