Differential Linear Operator Problem not making sense

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation problem involving an initial value problem (IVP) with a differential operator method. The participants are tasked with solving the equation and determining specific characteristics of the solution based on given initial conditions.

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  • Participants explore the simplification of the differential operator and the implications of the initial conditions on the solution. There is an attempt to derive the maximum point of the solution and questions arise regarding the feasibility of achieving a certain value for the function given the initial conditions.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the problem statement and the implications of the initial conditions. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical reasoning behind the solution attempts, with no clear consensus reached on the validity of the initial conditions or the derived results.

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There are indications of potential typographical errors in the problem statement, which some participants question. The discussion also highlights the constraints imposed by the initial conditions and the assumptions made during the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


I think there may be something wrong with a problem I'm doing for homework. The problem is:

Solve the IVP with the differential operator method:
[D^2 + 5D + 6D], y(0) = 2, y'(0) = \beta > 0
a) Determine the coordinates (t_m,y_m) of the maximum point of the solution as a function of \beta.
b) Determine the smallest value of \beta for which y \geq 4.
c) Determine the behavior of t_m and y_m as \beta \rightarrow \infty.

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The Attempt at a Solution


So I solved the differential equation by simplifying the operator to [D^2 + 11D] (I thought it was weird that I had to do such a simple simplification). Then I wrote (D + 11)(D)y = 0. Next I said let z = [D]y so the problem simplifies to [D + 11]z = 0. From this I got that z = c_1e^{-11t} from separation of variables. Then, since z is just y', I integrated z to find y, which gave me y = \dfrac{-c_1}{11}e^{-11t} + c_2. According to Wolfram Alpha, so far, so good... (so what?).

Next, I solved the initial value problem.
y'(0) = \beta so \beta = c_1e^0 and c_1 = \beta.
y(0) = 2 so 2 = \dfrac{-\beta}{11} \beta e^0 + c_2 and c_2 = \dfrac{\beta}{11} + 2.

Now I have:
y = \dfrac{-\beta}{11} e^{-11t} + \dfrac{\beta}{11} + 2
y' = \beta e^{-11t}

Now for part a).
To find the maximum, I set y' to 0 and solved for t. I got:
0 = \beta e^{-11t}. This is not solveable. I'm assuming t \geq 0 because conventionally t is time and must be greater than 0. Since beta is positive, the maximum of y occurs when t = \infty, so (t_m,y_m) = (\infty, \dfrac{\beta}{11} + 2). This seems sketchy but is the most reasonable answer I can come up with.

And now the very strange part, part b).
How is it possible for me to find a value for beta such that y \geq 4 if THE PROBLEM STATES THAT y(0) = 2?
Isn't that a contradiction? I started this problem assuming that condition, and now my function of y prohibits the constraint that y \geq 4. Am I missing something?

I haven't really tried part c) because I'm assuming I already messed everything up, I just can't figure out where.
Any help is appreciated.
 
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wadawalnut said:

Homework Statement


I think there may be something wrong with a problem I'm doing for homework. The problem is:

Solve the IVP with the differential operator method:
[D^2 + 5D + 6D], y(0) = 2, y'(0) = \beta > 0
Typos above? I think it should be ##[D^2 + 5D + 6]y = 0##, and then the initial conditions.
wadawalnut said:
a) Determine the coordinates (t_m,y_m) of the maximum point of the solution as a function of \beta.
b) Determine the smallest value of \beta for which y \geq 4.
c) Determine the behavior of t_m and y_m as \beta \rightarrow \infty.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


So I solved the differential equation by simplifying the operator to [D^2 + 11D] (I thought it was weird that I had to do such a simple simplification).
See my comment above. I'm almost certain that the DE is y'' + 5y' + 6y = 0. If so, it can be solved fairly easily.
wadawalnut said:
Then I wrote (D + 11)(D)y = 0. Next I said let z = [D]y so the problem simplifies to [D + 11]z = 0. From this I got that z = c_1e^{-11t} from separation of variables. Then, since z is just y', I integrated z to find y, which gave me y = \dfrac{-c_1}{11}e^{-11t} + c_2. According to Wolfram Alpha, so far, so good... (so what?).

Next, I solved the initial value problem.
y'(0) = \beta so \beta = c_1e^0 and c_1 = \beta.
y(0) = 2 so 2 = \dfrac{-\beta}{11} \beta e^0 + c_2 and c_2 = \dfrac{\beta}{11} + 2.

Now I have:
y = \dfrac{-\beta}{11} e^{-11t} + \dfrac{\beta}{11} + 2
y' = \beta e^{-11t}

Now for part a).
To find the maximum, I set y' to 0 and solved for t. I got:
0 = \beta e^{-11t}. This is not solveable. I'm assuming t \geq 0 because conventionally t is time and must be greater than 0. Since beta is positive, the maximum of y occurs when t = \infty, so (t_m,y_m) = (\infty, \dfrac{\beta}{11} + 2). This seems sketchy but is the most reasonable answer I can come up with.

And now the very strange part, part b).
How is it possible for me to find a value for beta such that y \geq 4 if THE PROBLEM STATES THAT y(0) = 2?
Isn't that a contradiction? I started this problem assuming that condition, and now my function of y prohibits the constraint that y \geq 4. Am I missing something?

I haven't really tried part c) because I'm assuming I already messed everything up, I just can't figure out where.
Any help is appreciated.
 
I did not make a typo, that was the actual question.
 
wadawalnut said:
I did not make a typo, that was the actual question.
I didn't say or even imply that you made the typo, but I am almost certain (99.44%) it is a typo.
 

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