Differentiating Trig Homework: Find Uncertainty in Measured Angle

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The discussion revolves around finding the uncertainty in a measured angle derived from a triangle formed by a cardboard and a stack of books. The original poster mentions using the inverse sine function to relate the opposite side and the hypotenuse, with specific measurements and uncertainties provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the inverse sine function and how to apply it to the problem of measuring angles. There are inquiries about representing variables and uncertainties in the context of the differentiation process.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the differentiation of the inverse sine function and how to incorporate uncertainties into the calculations. Some participants provide guidance on using differentials, while others express confusion about the notation and the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of their current understanding of calculus and physics, with references to specific measurements and uncertainties. There is a noted difference between this problem and previous examples encountered in their studies.

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Homework Statement




we have been doing some error analysis in school, but they were very straight forward for example. centripetal acceleration : Fc = 4pi^2 m R / T^2


however, for my project i must find the uncertainty in the angle that i measured.
the angle is formed by a cardboard sitting on pile of books creating a triangle.
Hypothenus = 33cm
Height = Variable ( Changes according to the stack of the book)

please help ! differentiate theta = inverseSin(Opposite/Hypothenus)






Homework Equations





theta = inverseSin(Opposite/Hypothenus)

The Attempt at a Solution



well since i measurd these distances with a ruler

the uncertainty for hypothenus would be +- 0.005m (last half digit of a number)
and the uncertainty for heght is the same + - 0.005m (last half dight of a number)

how do i use these to differentiate for one another?
which formurla would i use pleaes help !
 
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i see that it is 1 ove squareroot of 1 minus x^2.
but at my level of physics and calculus that is just different language to me.
how can x be represented by (Opposite over hypothenus) ??
how will i differentiate them? HELP !
 
To do error analysis, you write the whole equation in terms of differentials; you don't differentiate with respect to anything. Here's an example:

if 2x=y^2 and you differentiate both sides, you'd get 2dx=2ydy. Don't write it as dx/dy=y or dy/dx=1/y.

For theta = inverseSin(Opposite/Hypothenus), you should get:

d(theta)=1/sqrt(1-(o/h)^2) * derivative of o/h

What do you get?
 
hmm. 1*sqrt(1-(o/h)^-2)
you would get negative exponent.

is this correct so far? please guide me along the way.
i would like to learn this by tom ~ help
 
I don't get why it's 1*sqrt(1-(o/h)^-2). The derivative of inverse sine is 1/sqrt(1-x^2), so the first step in deriving theta = inverseSin(Opposite/Hypothenus) is 1/sqrt(1-(o/h)^2).

After that, derive o/h. The answer would be (do*h + o*dh)/h^2, following the quotient rule. do and dh are the errors in the measured lengths and d(theta) is the error in the angle.
 
so d(theta) = (do*h + o*dh)/h^2

hmm.. do i sub in the numbers and that is the total uncertainty for theta?
lets say i got 12 degrees from measuring sides with ruler and, after using the above equation i would write

12 degrees + - (do*h + o*dh)/h^2
would this be correct??

but in my pratice sheet which is totally different than trig we have

dF/dPi = 8PimR/T^2 from F = 4Pi^2mR/T^2

and so on with all the other variables...

but with this triangle is this it?
or do i have to differentiate further.. please HELP !
 

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