Differentiating y=f(u) & u=g(x)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around differentiating a composite function where \( y = f(u) \) and \( u = g(x) \). Participants are tasked with showing a specific relationship involving second derivatives, which requires understanding of differentiation rules and notation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding notation and the application of differentiation rules, particularly the product and chain rules. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of terms like "RHS" and to translate the notation into a more familiar form.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the differentiation process, suggesting the order of applying the product and chain rules. However, there remains a lack of clarity for some regarding the variables involved and the necessity of finding the second derivative.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the complexities of differentiation in the context of composite functions, with some expressing uncertainty about the requirements of the homework task.

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Homework Statement



If y=f(u) and u=g(x)
f and g are differentiable; show that
d^2y/dx^2=d^2y/dx^2(du/dx)^2+dy/du(d^2u/dx^2)

Homework Equations


f'(x)=df/dx


The Attempt at a Solution


I think the notation is throwing me off, can this be translated in prime notation? And I know y is a compostion of f and g.
 
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You have to apply the product rule to the RHS of dy/dx first when evaluating y'' before applying the chain rule. Doing it the other way round will give you the wrong answer. I did a question like this before, except involving partial derivatives with 3 variables, which made it a hell lot more tedious.
 
thanks defennder
 
wait what does RHS mean?
 
jkeatin said:
wait what does RHS mean?

Right hand side :smile:
 
man, well eventually ill get used to this, thanks
 
I really don't understand what's the variables and what's being derived etc
 
why do i have to find y''?
 
jkeatin said:
man, well eventually ill get used to this, thanks

:smile: It's takes awhile. Keep at it! Don't be afraid tp play around with LaTeX codes too. If you see an image and you want to know how to put it in nice Latex, just click on it and a source code will generate.

Like this:

[tex]\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}=\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}\cdot(\frac{du}{dx})^2+\frac{dy}{du}\cdot\frac{d^2u}{dx^2}[/tex]

Click on it and see the code that I used to make it.
 
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cool, thanks casey
 

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