Differentiation/integration of two variables

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The discussion focuses on the mathematical differentiation and integration of a function H = H(x,y) within the context of thermodynamics. The user derives the differential dH and explores the implications of integrating this expression from (x0,y0) to (x1,y1). A key point of confusion arises regarding the integral of the partial derivative \(\left (\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} \right )_y\) when y is held constant during differentiation and x during integration. Ultimately, the user concludes that their initial question regarding the nullity of the integral is unfounded, as the operations of differentiation and integration are distinct processes.

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Though this problem came to me when studying thermodynamics, it's purely mathematical and seems to be easy, but I'm not getting anywhere.

Suppose I have a function H = H(x,y). Differentiating this function I get:

[tex]dH = \left (\frac{\partial H}{\partial x} \right )_y dx + \left (\frac{\partial H}{\partial y} \right )_x dy [/tex]

in which the subscript means that x or y is taken constant during the operation.

It is also given that [tex]\left (\frac{\partial H}{\partial y} \right )_x = \left (\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} \right )_y[/tex]

so

[tex]dH = \left (\frac{\partial H}{\partial x} \right )_y dx + \left (\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} \right )_y dy[/tex]

When I integrate from (x0,y0) to (x1,y1) I get

[tex]\int_{ (x_0,y_0)}^{ (x_1,y_1)} dH = \int_{x_0}^{x_1} dH |_{y_0} + \int_{y_0}^{y_1} dH |_{x_1} = \int_{x_0}^{x_1} \left (\frac{\partial H}{\partial x} \right )_y dx |_{y_0} + \int_{y_0}^{y_1} \left (\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} \right )_y dy |_{x_1}[/tex]

What is killing me is if the integral

[tex]\int_{y_0}^{y_1} \left (\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} \right )_y dy |_{x_1}[/tex]

is null, because in the derivative, you take y constant, but when integrating, x is constant. Therefore, as F = F(x,y) and both variables are taken constant, any partial derivative must be zero, so the integral is also zero. Is that right?
 
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Nevermind, I just noticed that my question makes no sense at all, as you are differentiating first then integrating.

Thanks, nonetheless.
 

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