Differentiation of vector function(explanation of solution)

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The problem involves a vector function r(t) that is continuously differentiable over an interval I, with the condition that the magnitude |r(t)| remains constant. The goal is to show that the derivative r'(t) is orthogonal to r(t) throughout the interval.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the algebraic reasoning behind the relationship |r(t)|² = r(t) · r(t) and question the conceptual implications of this equality. They explore the definition of the dot product and its properties, particularly in relation to orthogonality.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the definitions and implications of the dot product, as well as the geometric interpretation of the problem. Some express uncertainty about the nature of the curve described by r(t) and seek clarification on what the question is asking.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of vector operations, particularly in the context of differentiable functions and their geometric interpretations. Some participants mention difficulties in visualizing or plotting the curve described by r(t).

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Homework Statement



Show that if the vector function r(t) is continuously differentiable for t on an interval I and |r(t)| = c, a constant for all t [itex]\in I[/itex], then r'(t) is orthorgonal to r(t) for all t [itex]\in I[/itex]

What would the curve described by r(t) look like?

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution is given as:

|r(t)|2 = r(t) . r(t)

r(t).r(t) = c2 ( I can see the algebraic reasoning for this but what's the conceptual reasoning behind?)

then,

r'(t).r(t) + r(t).r'(t) = 0

that is, 2r'(t) .r(t) = 0. Hence r'(t) is orthorgonal to r(t) for all t.

What is the question I should be asking myself?
 
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negation said:

Homework Statement



Show that if the vector function r(t) is continuously differentiable for t on an interval I and |r(t)| = c, a constant for all t [itex]\in I[/itex], then r'(t) is orthorgonal to r(t) for all t [itex]\in I[/itex]

What would the curve described by r(t) look like?

The Attempt at a Solution



The solution is given as:

|r(t)|2 = r(t) . r(t)

r(t).r(t) = c2 ( I can see the algebraic reasoning for this but what's the conceptual reasoning behind?)

then,

r'(t).r(t) + r(t).r'(t) = 0

that is, 2r'(t) .r(t) = 0. Hence r'(t) is orthorgonal to r(t) for all t.

What is the question I should be asking myself?

Not one, but three questions that I would suggest:

1) What is the definition of a dot product? Don't just quote a formula, define the terms.

2) What is the dot product of a non-zero vector with itself? Go back to the definition in 1) to answer this.

3) What is the dot product of two non-zero vectors that are perpendicular to each other? Conversely, what can be said when two non-zero vectors have a dot product of zero?

I assume you get the product rule part (works the same as for scalar variables) and the commutativity and associativity parts allowing you to group the terms. If not, you should clarify exactly what doubts you have about those.
 
Curious3141 said:
Not one, but three questions that I would suggest:

1) What is the definition of a dot product? Don't just quote a formula, define the terms.

2) What is the dot product of a non-zero vector with itself? Go back to the definition in 1) to answer this.

3) What is the dot product of two non-zero vectors that are perpendicular to each other? Conversely, what can be said when two non-zero vectors have a dot product of zero?

I assume you get the product rule part (works the same as for scalar variables) and the commutativity and associativity parts allowing you to group the terms. If not, you should clarify exactly what doubts you have about those.

I suppose it's about understanding the question. The solutions appear pretty trivial but I'm having a slightly difficult time interpreting what the question wants of me exactly.
 
negation said:
I suppose it's about understanding the question. The solutions appear pretty trivial but I'm having a slightly difficult time interpreting what the question wants of me exactly.

negation said:
Show that if the vector function r(t) is continuously differentiable for t on an interval I and |r(t)| = c, a constant for all t [itex]\in I[/itex], then r'(t) is orthorgonal to r(t) for all t [itex]\in I[/itex]
Show that r'(t) is orthogonal to r(t) for all t in the interval. "Orthogonal to" should suggest something to you.
negation said:
What would the curve described by r(t) look like?
You're given that |r(t)| is constant. Do you have any ideas about what such a curve might look like?
 
Mark44 said:
Show that r'(t) is orthogonal to r(t) for all t in the interval. "Orthogonal to" should suggest something to you.
You're given that |r(t)| is constant. Do you have any ideas about what such a curve might look like?

It suggest that for the interval for which t is defined, r'(t) dot r(t) = 0.

I don't. Wolfram was unable to plot the graph too. But, I'm going in on a leg and state that it is an absolute value graph? y = |r(t)|?
 
negation said:
It suggest that for the interval for which t is defined, r'(t) dot r(t) = 0.

I don't. Wolfram was unable to plot the graph too. But, I'm going in on a leg and state that it is an absolute value graph? y = |r(t)|?

I think you're going round in circles on this problem!
 
perok said:
i think you're going round in circles on this problem!
lol!
 
negation said:
It suggest that for the interval for which t is defined, r'(t) dot r(t) = 0.
This is a good start. Can you rewrite the dot product using its definition?
negation said:
I don't. Wolfram was unable to plot the graph too. But, I'm going in on a leg and state that it is an absolute value graph? y = |r(t)|?
 

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