Differing definitions of expansion, shear, and vorticity

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The discussion centers on the differing definitions of expansion, shear, and vorticity as presented in the works of Wald and Hawking and Ellis. Participants explore the implications of these definitions within the context of geodesic congruences and their mathematical formulations, focusing on theoretical aspects rather than practical applications or homework problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Wald's treatment is more concise but lacks a definition for the expansion tensor, only providing the volume expansion.
  • Another participant mentions that Wald restricts to geodesic congruences, while Hawking does not, which may lead to simpler expressions in Wald's framework.
  • Definitions of the spatial metric, expansion tensor, volume expansion, shear, and vorticity are presented, with variations noted between Wald and Hawking's formulations.
  • A participant questions whether the sign in the definition of the spatial metric would need to be adjusted for a different metric signature and whether other signs would also change.
  • Another participant refers to Stephani's work, which aligns with Hawking's expressions but does not clarify the geodesic nature of the congruence.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about which terms in the general expressions would be zero for geodesic congruences.
  • A participant outlines a method to demonstrate the equivalence of vorticity definitions for geodesics, suggesting a series of mathematical expansions and properties of geodesics.
  • Another participant reiterates their earlier question about Wald's reasoning for restricting to geodesic congruences and notes a specific result that holds only for geodesics, which they feel is not utilized later in Wald's work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of restricting to geodesic congruences, with some supporting Wald's approach while others question its necessity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific reasons for Wald's choices and the implications of the definitions presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the implications of the definitions due to the lack of clarity on whether the congruences are geodesic in some references and the potential need for sign adjustments in different metric signatures.

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There is a discussion of expansion, shear, and vorticity in Wald (p. 217) and in Hawking and Ellis (p. 82). My motivation for comparing them was that although Wald's treatment is more concise, Wald doesn't define the expansion tensor, only the volume expansion.

Wald starts off by restricting to a geodesic congruence rather than any old congruence. Hawking does not.

I've put everything in consistent notation where the velocity field is u (corresponding to Wald's \xi and Hawking's V).

The definitions are:

spatial metric: h_{ab}=g_{ab} + u_a u_b
expansion tensor: \theta_{ab}=h_a^c h_b^d u_{(c;d)} (Hawking)
volume expansion: \theta=\theta_{ab}h^{a b}=u^a_{;a} (Hawking gives both, Wald only gives the first form)
shear:
\sigma_{ab}=u_{(a;b)}-\frac{1}{3}\theta h_{ab} (Wald)
\sigma_{ab}=\theta_{ab}-\frac{1}{3}\theta h_{ab} (Hawking)
vorticity:
\omega_{ab}=u_{[a;b]} (Wald)
\omega_{ab}=h_a^c h_b^d u_{[c;d]} (Hawking)
decomposition
u_{a;b}=\frac{1}{3}\theta h_{ab}+\sigma_{ab}+\omega_{ab} (Wald)
u_{a;b}=\frac{1}{3}\theta h_{ab}+\sigma_{ab}+\omega_{ab}-\dot{u}_a u_b (Hawking)

Am I right in thinking that Wald's reason for restricting to geodesic congruences is that under these circumstances he gets the simpler expressions shown above, rather than the more complex ones that Hawking gives?

The definition of the spatial metric would clearly have to have the + sign flipped if you were using the +--- signature (since the purpose of the term is to punch the time-time component out of the metric). Would any other signs have to be changed for +---, like the sign in the definition of the shear?
 
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Hi Ben,
looking at Stephani, I see he has the same expressions as Hawking. He regards u as a velocity field but doesn't mention if the the congruence is always geodesic so I presume it isn't.

In answer to your question - I don't know. Presumably some terms in the general expressions will be zero for a geodesic congruence, but I don't know which ones ( although I feel I ought to ).

PS: There's a wiki page on this here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congruence_(general_relativity)
 
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Right now, my 4-year-old daughter is neither letting me think nor calculate as much as I would like, but to see the equivalence for geodesics of
bcrowell said:
vorticity:
\omega_{ab}=u_{[a;b]} (Wald)
\omega_{ab}=h_a^c h_b^d u_{[c;d]} (Hawking)

1) expand each h;
2) expand the [] barackets;
3) multiply together all factors in Hawking's definition.

In 3) use

a) 0 = u^a u_{b;a} (from the geodesic property);
b) 0 = u^a u_{a;b} (from 4-velocity normalization, 1 = u^a u_a.
 
bcrowell said:
Am I right in thinking that Wald's reason for restricting to geodesic congruences is that under these circumstances he gets the simpler expressions shown above, rather than the more complex ones that Hawking gives?
As far as I can tell, the only result on page 217 that only holds for geodesics is B_{ab}\xi^b=0, and it isn't used for anything later.

Edit: I wrote that before reading George's post. I stand by my reply as far as the calculations Wald did before the definitions of \theta, \sigma and \omega are concerned. I still haven't understood why the definitions look the way they do.
 
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