Diffraction: Distinguishing Fresnal & Fraunhofer Diffraction

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The discussion focuses on the mathematical distinctions between Fresnel and Fraunhofer diffraction, exploring their assumptions, equations, and the conditions under which each applies. Participants seek to clarify the criteria that differentiate these two regimes of diffraction.

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  • One participant asks how to mathematically distinguish between Fresnel and Fraunhofer diffraction, prompting further clarification on specific aspects of interest.
  • Another participant notes that the difference involves the Fourier transform of the wave across the aperture for Fraunhofer diffraction, while Fresnel diffraction does not involve this expansion.
  • A participant explains that the equation for Fraunhofer diffraction is an approximation of the Fresnel diffraction equation, highlighting specific assumptions such as a planar incident wave and constant distance terms.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions for each regime, with one participant suggesting a criterion involving the relationship between distance (R), aperture size (a), and wavelength (λ).
  • Another participant clarifies that the equations mentioned do not directly describe the diffraction types but rather a criterion for determining the regime based on maximum phase error.
  • Participants discuss the significance of the phase error in determining the transition between Fresnel and Fraunhofer diffraction.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework for distinguishing between the two types of diffraction, but there are nuances in the interpretation of the criteria and assumptions involved. Some aspects remain contested, particularly regarding the specific equations and their implications.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of the terms used and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in transitioning between the two diffraction regimes.

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how do you distinguish Fresnal and fraunhofer diffraction mathematically?
 
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Can you be more specific about what you're looking for? Are you asking about the difference in the assumptions involved, or the final equations, or what? Are you asking about locations of maxima and minima, or about the intensity of the diffraction pattern as a function of position on the viewing screen? Do you have single-slit diffraction in mind, or something else?
 
A very good explanation of this is in Introduction to Fourier Optics by Joseph Goodman. Essentially the difference between Fraunhofer and Fresnel diffraction is that the Fraunhofer pattern is obtained by taking the Fourier transform of the wave across the aperature and calculating the intensity. The Fresnel pattern does not involve expanding the expression for the plane wave. Look on page 71 of Goodman.

If you want more, I'll be happy to further explain it.
 
The equation describing Fraunhofer diffraction is an approximated version of the equation describing Fresnel diffraction (which is, itself, an approximation). Recall that Fraunhofer diffraction assumes a planar incident wave, hence;

- The obliquity function (the function that describes transmission through an aperture as a function of propagation angle) is approximated to equal 1.
- The phase change term is omitted.
- The distance terms are constant over the area of integration.

Claude.
 
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so is this right?
R>a^2/λ for Frauhofer diffraction, and R<a^2/λ for Fresnal diffraction
is there a math equation to express their difference?
 
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The equations you specify do not describe Fraunhofer or Fresnel diffraction per se, but rather a quantitative criterion that specifies which regime the diffraction falls under. The important factor buried within this criterion is the maximum phase error.

Equality defines the point where there is a \lambda/8 maximum phase error. The reason this point is chosen as a delineation is because for phase errors less than this, the phase effects are negligible. For phase errors greater than this, phase errors become significant.

Claude.
 
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yes, I'm looking for regime the diffraction falls under, I read that the λ has to be much larger for the Fresnal diffraction, so is R<a^2/λ for Fresnal diffraction right?
 

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