Diffraction Grating: Possible variables for Experiment

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The discussion revolves around designing an experiment to investigate the properties of a CD diffraction grating, focusing on the relationship between distance, angle, and wavelength in the context of diffraction patterns. The original poster presents two experimental ideas, each with different variables and setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster suggests varying the distance from the CD to the viewing screen and measuring the resulting diffraction pattern. They express uncertainty about the correctness of their mathematical approach. Another idea involves using two CDs as double diffraction gratings, but they question the potential outcomes and the underlying physics. Participants raise questions about specific variables, such as the definitions of D and y, and the relevance of the laser distance to the CD.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the setup and assumptions of the proposed experiments. Some provide clarifications on mathematical relationships, while others seek to understand the implications of using CDs in different configurations. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is generating useful insights and considerations for the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions of variables and the mathematical expressions used. There is also mention of the need to clarify the nature of the diffraction grating (reflective vs. transmission) and the conditions under which the experiments are being conducted.

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Homework Statement
Devise an experiment investigating the properties of a CD diffraction grating (Can't change wavelength).
Relevant Equations
Diffraction Grating equation for maxima: ##d\sin\theta = n\lambda##
For my High School Physics course, I have been tasked to design an experiment investigating the properties of a CD diffraction grating, and we MUST make a graph. Unfortunately, we only have two lasers of different wavelength, so changing the wavelength and measuring ##theta## would be a bad idea.

I have come up with two ideas, one which is theoretically possible, and one which I am not so sure about.

Idea 1: changing the distance from the CD to the viewing screen (which we will call ##L##)
We use the diffraction grating equation for maximum interference: ##d\sin\theta = n\lambda## where d is the distance between the bumps on the CD, and define the distance from the laser to the screen L, the angular distance from the principal maxima to the nth order maxima by ##theta##, and their distance by ##y##.
$$\begin{align}
d\sin(\arctan(\frac{y}{D})) &= n\lambda\\
\arctan(\frac{y}{D}) = \arcsin(n\frac{\lambda}{d})\\
\frac{y}{D} = \tan(\arcsin(n\frac{\lambda}{d}))\\
y = \tan(\arcsin(n\frac{\lambda}{d})) D
\end{align}$$
I can then vary the distance D and measure y for the first order maxima (##y = \tan(\arcsin(\frac{\lambda}{d})) D##). plot them and use the slope of the regression fit to find the distance between the bumps. From there I can calculate the number of bits the CD can hold, and maybe compare with a DVD.

Is the mathematics correct? I am afraid that I may have forgotten some special conditions that make this formula incorrect.

Idea 2: changing the distance between two CDs acting as double diffraction gratings
I place two CDs which act as double diffraction gratings. I change the distance between them, and measure the distance ##y##.
Unfortunately, I have no idea if there will be any noticeable difference if i add this second CD, let alone how to develop the mathematics and physics behind this experiment.
 
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What is D? Same as L? What distance is y?
I would have thought that with a laser source the distance from there to the CD was irrelevant.
What about the angle of the beam to the CD?
 
By the way, note that:
$$\tan(\arcsin(x))) = \frac{x}{\sqrt{1 - x^2}} ~~~~~ \text{where } x < 1 $$

[EDIT] Fixed the equation to reflect the fact that the argument of arcsin function is not an angle. I don't know what I was thinking (or even thinking at all) before..
 
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gneill said:
By the way, note that:
$$\tan(\arcsin(\theta))) = \frac{\theta}{\sqrt{1 - \theta^2}} ~~~~~ \text{where } \theta < 1 \text { is in radians}$$
One radian corresponds to about 57.3° .
Surely the argument to arcsin is not usually an angle. Why would it be in radians?
 
haruspex said:
Surely the argument to arcsin is not usually an angle. Why would it be in radians?
Whoops! That's a brain fart on my part. Should have used x instead of θ, and specified that x < 1. I'll edit the post. Sorry about that!
 

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