Digamma function and Harmonic numbers

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The discussion revolves around the definitions and properties of the digamma function, denoted as $\psi(n)$, and its relationship with harmonic numbers. Participants explore different formulations and definitions of the digamma function, including potential discrepancies and controversies surrounding these definitions. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and challenges related to specific values of the digamma function.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that $\psi(n) = -\gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k}$, while others propose an alternative definition $\phi(n) = -\gamma + \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k+1}$, highlighting a discrepancy in definitions.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of these definitions on the value of $\psi(1)$, with some claiming it leads to different results: $\psi(1) = -\gamma$ versus $\psi(1) = \infty$ depending on the definition used.
  • One participant expresses a preference for the factorial function over the gamma function due to confusion regarding its definitions, particularly the relationship between $\Gamma(n)$ and factorials.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of harmonic numbers, specifically regarding the undefined nature of $H_0$ and how this affects the interpretation of the digamma function.
  • Some participants reference external sources, such as Wolfram MathWorld, to support their claims about the digamma function and harmonic numbers, but also note contradictions within these sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of the digamma function and its implications. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct formulation and interpretation of $\psi(n)$ and $\phi(n)$, as well as the handling of specific cases like $\psi(1)$.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions of the digamma function and harmonic numbers, particularly concerning the treatment of $H_0$ and the implications of different definitions on mathematical outcomes. There is also an acknowledgment of the potential for confusion stemming from the gamma function's definitions.

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Prove the following :

$\displaystyle \psi(n)= -\gamma \,+\,\sum^{n-1}_{k=1}\frac{1}{k}$​
 
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ZaidAlyafey said:
Prove the following :

$\displaystyle \psi(n)= -\gamma \,+\,\sum^{n-1}_{k=1}\frac{1}{k}$​

In...

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f15/difference-equation-tutorial-draft-part-i-426/

... it has been demonstrated that, if $\displaystyle \phi(*)$ is the 'digamma function', then is ...

$\displaystyle \phi(n)= - \gamma + \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{1+k}$ (1)

The little 'discrepancy' is probably justified from the fact that the definition of digamma function is a little controversial...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
In...

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f15/difference-equation-tutorial-draft-part-i-426/

... it has been demonstrated that, if $\displaystyle \phi(*)$ is the 'digamma function', then is ...

$\displaystyle \phi(n)= - \gamma + \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{1+k}$ (1)

The little 'discrepancy' is probably justified from the fact that the definition of digamma function is a little controversial...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Interesting , I will surely read that , thanks a lot ...
 
chisigma said:
The little 'discrepancy' is probably justified from the fact that the definition of digamma function is a little controversial... $\chi$ $\sigma$

Can you please elaborate on that ?
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
Can you please elaborate on that ?

In...

Digamma Function -- from Wolfram MathWorld

... the digamma function is defined as...

$\displaystyle \psi(x)= \frac{d}{d x} \ln \Gamma(x)$ (1)

... where...

$\displaystyle \Gamma (x)= \int_{0}^{\infty} t^{x-1}\ e^{-t}\ dt$ (2)

... that leads to write, after long efforts...

$\displaystyle \psi(n)= - \gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k}$ (3)

I adopted a slighty different approach defining the digamma function as...

$\displaystyle \phi(x) = \frac{d}{d x} \ln x!$ (4)

... where...

$\displaystyle x!= \int_{0}^{\infty} t^{x}\ e^{-t}\ dt$ (5)

... and after long efforts I arrived to write...

$\displaystyle \phi(n) = - \gamma + \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k+1}$ (6)

Of course is a trivial question of definitions...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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chisigma said:
$\displaystyle \psi(x)= - \gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k}$ (3) $\displaystyle \phi(x) = - \gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{n} \frac{1}{k}$ (6)

I assumed you meant $\psi(n)$ and $\phi(n)$ , I know this is correct for all integers but let us try to find $\psi(1)$

From (3) it is $$-\gamma $$ but from (6) it is $$-\gamma+1$$

so which is correct !
 
I have to confess one 'phobia' of my: I don't like the function $\displaystyle \Gamma (x)$ because any time I meet it I have to do terrible efforts to decide if it is $\displaystyle \Gamma(n)= (n-1)!$ or $\displaystyle \Gamma(n)= (n+1)!$... that's why I prefer the factorial function ...

$\displaystyle x!= \int_{0}^{\infty} t^{x}\ e^{-t}\ dt$ (1)

... that for $\displaystyle x=n$ of course is n!. The conclusion is that a digamma function descending from $\displaystyle \Gamma(x)$ is called $\displaystyle \psi(x)$ and the digamma function descending from $\displaystyle x!$ I called $\phi(x)$ and is...

$\displaystyle \psi(n)= \phi (n-1)$ (2)

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
I have to confess one 'phobia' of my: I don't like the function $\displaystyle \Gamma (x)$ because any time I meet it I have to do terrible efforts to decide if it is $\displaystyle \Gamma(n)= (n-1)!$ or $\displaystyle \Gamma(n)= (n+1)!$... that's why I prefer the factorial function ...

I have never understood the reason for this -1 stuff with the gamma function.
Do you know where it came from?
Reading the wiki article makes it suggestive that it was a bad choice from the start.

On wiki I can see that there is also a pi function introduced by Gauss, that does behave like the factorial function.
Shouldn't that one be preferred over this gamma function?
$$\Pi(n) = \Gamma(n+1) = n!$$
Wiki only states the $\Gamma$ is dominant in literature.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
I assumed you meant $\psi(n)$ and $\phi(n)$ , I know this is correct for all integers but let us try to find $\psi(1)$

From (3) it is $$-\gamma $$ but from (6) it is $$-\gamma+1$$

so which is correct !

Your question is very useful because permits me to remark an important topic... from my definition of digammma function descends that for x = n is...

$\displaystyle \phi(n) = - \gamma + \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k+1}$ (1)

... so that...

$\displaystyle \psi(1) = \phi(0) = - \gamma$ (2)

... which is correct. From the 'standard definition' reported on 'MonsterWolfram' descends that for x=n is...

$\displaystyle \psi(n)= - \gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k}$ (3)

... so that...

$\displaystyle \psi(1) = - \gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{0} \frac{1}{k} = \infty$ (4)

Gulp! (Tmi)... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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chisigma said:
Your question is very useful because permits me to remark an important topic... from my definition of digammma function descends that for x = n is...

$\displaystyle \phi(n) = - \gamma + \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k+1}$ (1)

... so that...

$\displaystyle \psi(1) = \phi(0) = 1 - \gamma$ (2)

... which is correct. From the 'standard definition' reported on 'MonsterWolfram' descends that for x=n is...

$\displaystyle \psi(n)= - \gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \frac{1}{k}$ (3)

... so that...

$\displaystyle \psi(1) = - \gamma + \sum_{k=1}^{0} \frac{1}{k} = \infty$ (4)

Gulp! (Tmi)... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$

Wait!
Wolfram says $\psi(1)=-\gamma + H_0 = -\gamma$.
See here.
A sum that has an upper bound below the lower bound is an empty sum.
 
  • #11
According to the Weierstrass representation of the gamma function we can get :

$$\psi(x) = -\gamma-\frac{1}{x}+\sum^{\infty}_{n=1}\frac{x}{(n+x)}$$

Now we can put x=1 so we have :

$$\psi(1) = -\gamma-1+\sum^{\infty}_{n=1}\frac{1}{n(n+1)}$$We know that : $$\sum^{\infty}_{n=1}\frac{1}{n(n+1)}=1$$

so $$\psi(1)=-\gamma$$

I described some digamma values http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f10/advanced-integration-techniques-3233/index2.html post #19
 
  • #12
I like Serena said:
Wait!
Wolfram says $\psi(1)=-\gamma + H_0 = -\gamma$.
See here.
A sum that has an upper bound below the lower bound is an empty sum.

'MonsterWolfram' sometime seems a little in contradiction with himself... in...

Harmonic Number -- from Wolfram MathWorld

...the following definition of the $\displaystyle H_{n}$ is reported...

$\displaystyle H_{n}= \sum_{k=1}^{n} \frac{1}{k}$ (1)

... and few lines after the $\displaystyle H_{n}$ are defined as the solution of the difference equation...

$\displaystyle H_{n} = H_{n-1} + \frac{1}{n},\ H_{1}=1$ (2)

... so that the element $\displaystyle H_{0}$ is in any case undefined...

Avoiding any type of useless controversial I symply say that the function $\displaystyle \psi(*)$ is, in my opinion, badly defined and leads sometimes to difficulties so that I prefer to use the function $\displaystyle \phi(*)$ that leads to 'secure results'...

My opinion of course...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
  • #13
Ah well, more specifically it says:
Based on their definition, harmonic numbers satisfy the obvious recurrence equation[TABLE="width: 100%, align: center"]
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with
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In other words, this is a consequence of the definition - not the definition itself.

The article only says about the definition
A harmonic number is a number of the form
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arising from truncation of the harmonic series. A harmonic number can be expressed analytically as

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Then in the article it is extended to more domains.

As I see it, the article doesn't say anything about $H_0$ and it doesn't specifically make it undefined.
It just leaves it sort of hanging.
So the article is a bit sloppy with the definition... and the wiki article is too.
 

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