Dimension of Rays in Hilbert Space

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The discussion revolves around the dimensionality of rays in Hilbert space, particularly focusing on the distinction between complex and real dimensions. Participants explore the implications of representing physical states as rays, which are defined by all complex multiples of a vector, and the nature of dimensionality in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a ray in a Hilbert space is truly one-dimensional when considering complex multiplication, suggesting that it may imply an additional degree of freedom.
  • Another participant asserts that a ray corresponds to one complex dimension, clarifying that the state space is a complex Hilbert space.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of introducing a second dimension, with one participant noting that this would require a direction perpendicular to the ray, which cannot be achieved through scalar multiplication.
  • One participant proposes that if the dimensions of the Hilbert space are split into real and imaginary parts, then multiplying by a complex scalar introduces movement in two dimensions, leading to a consideration of the Hilbert space as a space over the reals.
  • Another participant agrees, stating that viewing the Hilbert space over the reals results in rays having a dimension of 2, while emphasizing that the term "one-dimensional" refers to complex dimension.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the dimension of a ray in a Hilbert space is one complex dimension. However, there is some contention regarding the interpretation of dimensionality when considering the real and imaginary components of complex numbers.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the distinction between viewing the Hilbert space as a complex space versus a real space, which affects the interpretation of dimensionality. The implications of this distinction remain unresolved.

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I am wondering, what is the dimension of a ray in a Hilbert space? For example here (page 2, bottom of page) I have read:

...the physical state corresponds not to a particular vector in the Hilbert space, but to the ray, or one-dimensional subspace, defined by the collection of all the complex multiples of a particular vector.

I understand why a state is represented by all multiples of a vector, not just the vector. But is the ray really one-dimensional? It would be one-dimensional if we multiply the vector by real numbers. But we are multiplying it by complex numbers. Along one-dimensional ray we could fully determine the vector multiple by a single real number. However with complex numbers there is one additional degree of freedom. Thus for each position along one-dimensional ray there are infinitely many choices for one additional parameter.

Or "one-dimension" here means a complex dimension, i.e. 2 real dimensions?
 
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Yes, one complex dimension. The state space is a complex Hilbert space, so the scalars are understood to be complex numbers.
 
Introducing a second dimension would mean to introduce a direction perpendicular to a given ray. This can't be done by multiplication with a scalar.
 
Bill_K said:
Yes, one complex dimension. The state space is a complex Hilbert space, so the scalars are understood to be complex numbers.

Thank you very much.

tom.stoer said:
Introducing a second dimension would mean to introduce a direction perpendicular to a given ray. This can't be done by multiplication with a scalar.

Thank you for clarifying that, I did not realize it is a complex dimension. However if I "split" each dimension of the Hilbert space into 2 dimensions (the Real and Imaginary part of each particular complex dimension), then multiplication of a vector by a complex scalar does introduce movement in 2 dimensions: the Real and Imaginary part of each complex dimension. Is that correct? Because a complex number has 2 components, so it can carry information about 2 dimensional shifts.
 
mpv_plate said:
Thank you for clarifying that, I did not realize it is a complex dimension. However if I "split" each dimension of the Hilbert space into 2 dimensions (the Real and Imaginary part of each particular complex dimension), then multiplication of a vector by a complex scalar does introduce movement in 2 dimensions: the Real and Imaginary part of each complex dimension. Is that correct? Because a complex number has 2 components, so it can carry information about 2 dimensional shifts.

That's right. But when you do that, you're looking at the Hilbert space as a space over ##\mathbb{R}##. Nothing wrong with that. But the rays of the Hilbert space as a space over ##\mathbb{R}## will have dimension ##2##.
So if you encounter the word one-dimensional, then you should know it is the complex dimension (the space over ##\mathbb{C}##), and not the dimension of the space over ##\mathbb{R}##.
 
micromass said:
That's right. But when you do that, you're looking at the Hilbert space as a space over ##\mathbb{R}##. Nothing wrong with that. But the rays of the Hilbert space as a space over ##\mathbb{R}## will have dimension ##2##.
So if you encounter the word one-dimensional, then you should know it is the complex dimension (the space over ##\mathbb{C}##), and not the dimension of the space over ##\mathbb{R}##.

Thank you, it's clear to me now.
 

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