Dimension of SO(n) and its generators

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The discussion centers on the dimension of the special orthogonal group ##SO(n)## and its generators, specifically focusing on the relationship between the Lie algebra ##so(n)##, the properties of antisymmetric matrices, and the implications for representations of the group. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to group theory and linear algebra.

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  • Some participants note that the generators of ##SO(n)## are pure imaginary antisymmetric ##n \times n## matrices, which leads to the conclusion that the dimension of ##SO(n)## is ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}## based on the degrees of freedom of antisymmetric matrices.
  • Others suggest considering the tangent space and the Lie algebra ##so(n)##, proposing an inductive proof approach to demonstrate the dimension of ##SO(n)##.
  • One participant asserts that the dimension of ##so(n)## is spanned by ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}## generators, leading to the conclusion that the dimension of ##SO(n)## is also ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}##.
  • There is a discussion about whether representations of other dimensions are necessarily antisymmetric and how this relates to the degrees of freedom of the group.
  • Some participants argue that the dimension of ##SO(n)## is a property of the underlying manifold and remains the same across different representations.
  • One participant clarifies that they were specifically referring to finite-dimensional irreducible representations and questions the relevance of irreducibility in this context.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of representations for the dimensions of ##SO(n)##, with some asserting that all representations maintain the same dimensionality while others question the nature of these representations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of irreducibility and its implications.

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Some participants mention the need for a clear definition of representation and its relationship to group homomorphisms, indicating potential limitations in understanding the implications of different representations on the dimensions of ##SO(n)##.

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The generators of ##SO(n)## are pure imaginary antisymmetric ##n \times n## matrices.

How can this fact be used to show that the dimension of ##SO(n)## is ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}##?

I know that an antisymmetric matrix has ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}## degrees of freedom, but I can't take this idea any further in the demonstration of the proof.

Thoughts?
 
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Consider its tangent space, the Lie Algebra ##so(n)##, or the short exact sequence ##SO(n) → SO(n-1) → S^{n-1}## and prove it by induction.
 
Well, I know that the Lie algebra ##so(n)## is the space of antisymmetric matrices, so that the basis vectors of the algebra are given by the ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}## degrees of freedom of an ##n \times n## antisymmetric matrix. Therefore, the space ##so(n)## of the antisymmetric matrices is spanned by ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}## generators. Therefore, the dimension of ##so(n)## is ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}##. Therefore, the dimension of ##SO(n)## is also ##\frac{n(n-1)}{2}##.

But then, we considered the defining representation of the ##so(n)## algebra, i.e., the representation in terms of ##n \times n## matrices. Does that mean that if we consider representations of other dimensions, they are not necessarily all antisymmetric and hence do not lead to the required number of degrees of freedom?
 
failexam said:
Does that mean that if we consider representations of other dimensions, they are not necessarily all antisymmetric and hence do not lead to the required number of degrees of freedom?

No. Since orthogonality means the transposed matrix is as well the inverse matrix, transposing respects group homomorphisms and therefore any representation of the special orthogonal group is orthogonal of determinate 1 again. One can trivially build

##SO(n) → GL(n) → GL(n+1) → ...##

but that won't change dimensions. Moreover the dimension of ##SO(n)## is defined by the dimension of its underlying manifold which isn't affected by any representations of ##SO(n)##.
 
So, what you are saying is that representations of any dimension are possible for ##SO(n)## and that they are all not necessarily antisymmetric.

But, since the number of dimensions of ##SO(n)## is a property of the underlying manifold of ##SO(n)##, the number of dimensions of ##SO(n)## remains is the same for all representations.

Is that it?
 
Yes and ("... and that they are all not necessarily antisymmetric.") NO!

For any representation φ you can always build a representation

$$\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & ... & 0\\
0 & 1 & ... & 0\\
...& ...& ... & ...\\
0 & 0 & 0 & φ
\end{pmatrix}$$

However you should look up your definition of representation. Strictly speaking its an analytic group homomorphism ##φ : SO(n) → GL(V)##. But sometimes it's required to be in ##GL(V)_ℝ## the real Lie group underlying the complex Lie group ##GL(V)##.

Nevertheless if you read my post again, I've proved that still ##φ(X) φ(X)^τ = 1## holds!
 
When I asked if representations of any dimension are possible and if they are not necessarily antisymmetric, I was referring to finite-dimensional irreducible representations actually!
 
failexam said:
When I asked if representations of any dimension are possible and if they are not necessarily antisymmetric, I was referring to finite-dimensional irreducible representations actually!
What has irreducibility to do with it?

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_representation)
 
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