Dimensional Analysis: Which Equations are Correct?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of dimensional analysis to a set of equations involving position (x), velocity (v), and acceleration (a). The original poster is attempting to determine which equations could be correct based on dimensional consistency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest substituting the fundamental units for each variable in the equations to check for dimensional balance. There are discussions about the dimensions of position, velocity, and acceleration, and how they relate to each equation. Some participants question the assumption that distance (d) can be equated to position (x).

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing guidance on how to approach the dimensional analysis. There is a focus on ensuring that the left-hand side and right-hand side of each equation match in terms of dimensions. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored, and some participants are encouraging the original poster to show the dimensions for each equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted struggle with understanding how to apply dimensional analysis effectively, and some participants express the need for clarity on the significance of dimensional equality in the context of the equations being analyzed.

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Homework Statement



In a desperate attempt to come up with an equation to use during an examination, a student tries the following equations. Use dimensional analysis to determine which of these equations could be correct. Here x, v, and a, are the position, velocity and acceleration.

  1. v2=ax
  2. a=v2/x
  3. x=v2/a
  4. a=xv2
  5. x=av2
  6. v=ax
  7. v=a/x
  8. x=av
  9. a=xv
  10. v=a/t
  11. v=at
  12. v=t/a
  13. a=v/t
  14. t=av
  15. t=v/a
  16. t=a/v
  17. a=t/v

Homework Equations



a=d/t^2
v=d/t

The Attempt at a Solution


This dimensional analysis thing is really killing me, I understand that the units have to match, that's about it I got out of my textbook and some youtube videos. How about to I apply that to solve this problem (T/F)
 
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Well, you've got two equations that express a and v as dimensions (ie in terms of d and t). All you need is the third that expresses position x as dimensions, which is of course x = d.

So now use those three equations to substitute everywhere for x, a and v into the list of 17 equations. The ones that balance (ie when both sides are the same when simplified) are possible. The others are not.
 
Yousufshad said:

Homework Statement



In a desperate attempt to come up with an equation to use during an examination, a student tries the following equations. Use dimensional analysis to determine which of these equations could be correct. Here x, v, and a, are the position, velocity and acceleration.

  1. v2=ax
  2. a=v2/x
  3. x=v2/a
  4. a=xv2
  5. x=av2
  6. v=ax
  7. v=a/x
  8. x=av
  9. a=xv
  10. v=a/t
  11. v=at
  12. v=t/a
  13. a=v/t
  14. t=av
  15. t=v/a
  16. t=a/v
  17. a=t/v

Homework Equations



a=d/t^2
v=d/t

The Attempt at a Solution


This dimensional analysis thing is really killing me, I understand that the units have to match, that's about it I got out of my textbook and some youtube videos. How about to I apply that to solve this problem (T/F)

Welcome to the PF.

The dimension of position is meters [m]. The dimension of velocity is meters per second [m/s]. The dimension of acceleration is meters per second squared [m/s^2].

The dimensions of the lefthand side (LHS) and the RHS must match. Multiply and divide dimensions the same way you multiply and divide numbers. If you end up with [m]/[m], those units cancel. If you end up with [m/s]/[m], you cancel the [m] units in the numerator and denominator, and are left with units of 1/[seconds], which is the same as Hz (Hertz, which is the unit of frequency, 1/[seconds]).

Does that help? Can you now show us the dimensions for the LHS and RHS for each of the questions in your post? :smile:
 
The idea is to replace each variable with its fundamental units and see if the resulting equation balances. Fundamental units include:
[L] = Length
[M] = Mass
[T] = Time

So, for example, your first equation becomes:

##v^2 = a x \rightarrow ([L] [T]^{-1})^2 = [L][T]^{-2} [L]##

Do the algebra and see if it balances. Then see if you can do the rest.
 
Piling on! :smile:

Now it's up to the OP...
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

The dimension of position is meters [m]. The dimension of velocity is meters per second [m/s]. The dimension of acceleration is meters per second squared [m/s^2].

The dimensions of the lefthand side (LHS) and the RHS must match. Multiply and divide dimensions the same way you multiply and divide numbers. If you end up with [m]/[m], those units cancel. If you end up with [m/s]/[m], you cancel the [m] units in the numerator and denominator, and are left with units of 1/[seconds], which is the same as Hz (Hertz, which is the unit of frequency, 1/[seconds]).

Does that help? Can you now show us the dimensions for the LHS and RHS for each of the questions in your post? :smile:

So i just sub in units correct? Also two things, how can we assume d=x?
And the whole idea of why this works, what makes it so special if they are equal (rs=ls) in dimension value?
 
gneill said:
The idea is to replace each variable with its fundamental units and see if the resulting equation balances. Fundamental units include:
[L] = Length
[M] = Mass
[T] = Time

So, for example, your first equation becomes:

##v^2 = a x \rightarrow ([L] [T]^{-1})^2 = [L][T]^{-2} [L]##

Do the algebra and see if it balances. Then see if you can do the rest.
YEs thank you!
 
gneill said:
The idea is to replace each variable with its fundamental units and see if the resulting equation balances. Fundamental units include:
[L] = Length
[M] = Mass
[T] = Time

So, for example, your first equation becomes:

##v^2 = a x \rightarrow ([L] [T]^{-1})^2 = [L][T]^{-2} [L]##

Do the algebra and see if it balances. Then see if you can do the rest.
To clarify, this L, M, T notation (and likewise Q for charge etc.) represents dimensions. Fundamental units are the base set of standard units laid down for the different dimensions according to some convention. Thus in modern SI units (MKS), the metre is the fundamental unit of length dimension, etc.

The square bracket notation does not appear to be completely standardised. A common usage is to put square brackets around a variable to signify the dimension of the variable (not around the dimensions themselves). Thus one may write for a velocity variable v: [v]=LT-1
 

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