Question about finding av. Power from V(t) and I(t)

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The discussion revolves around finding the average power dissipated in a system given voltage and current functions, V(t) and I(t), derived from Fourier Series analysis. The original poster questions whether it is valid to calculate the average power by taking the averages of voltage and current independently and then multiplying them, or if a different approach is necessary.

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  • Participants explore the validity of averaging voltage and current separately before multiplication. Some provide counterexamples to illustrate potential misconceptions about averaging products versus product averages.

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There is active engagement with differing viewpoints on the method of calculating average power. Some participants have offered examples and counterexamples to clarify the misunderstanding regarding the relationship between average values and their products.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules that may limit the use of certain methods or require specific approaches to problem-solving. The discussion reflects a need for deeper understanding of the mathematical principles involved in averaging functions.

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Homework Statement


We know that V(t) = f(t) and I(t) = g(t), which have been found by Fourier Series analysis and some approximations.

The next part of the problem is about finding the average power disappated by the system. I was wondering whether I would be able to take averages of both of the functions independently and then multiply them, or whether I just need to multiply everything out?

So perhaps to put it concisely, does: $$P_{av} = V_{av} \times I_{av} ?$$

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f_{av} = \frac{1}{T} \int_0^T f(t) \, dt

The Attempt at a Solution


I would just rather not multiply the expressions out and deal with all the extra arithmetic if possible. However, if I can integrate them separately and multiply, I feel as if I have divided by T^2 as opposed to just T.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Master1022 said:
if I can integrate them separately and multiply
That is not going to work. Consider two sequences of numbers, both 1, 2, 3. The average product is 14/3, but the product of the averages is 4.
 
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You could test your theory by considering a simple circuit with a 1 V voltage source, a switch, and a 1 Ω load. Say the switch is open initially and closes at time t = 1 s. The cycle is complete at time t = 2 s when the switch opens again. You have a period of T = 2 s for the cycle.

Calculate the average voltage over the period. Calculate the average current over the period. Calculate the average power over the period. Does the product ##V_{av} \cdot I_{av} = P_{av}##?

Spoiler: No. :smile:
 
Yes, you have to integrate the product, not multiply the separate integrals.

Another example: Sine voltage across an inductor. The product of separate voltage and current averages calculates to a non-zero average power which you know is incorrect.
 

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