Dinosaur Watching: Reptiles Making Unusual Noises

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The discussion revolves around the portrayal of dinosaurs and early humans in a Discovery Channel show, particularly focusing on the sounds attributed to dinosaurs and the speculative nature of the show's claims about early human behavior and religion. Participants express confusion and curiosity about the classification of dinosaurs as reptiles and the accuracy of the show's content.

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  • Some participants question the characterization of dinosaurs as reptiles, suggesting that reptiles are generally quiet, while dinosaurs are depicted as making various noises.
  • There is a suggestion that dinosaurs may be more closely related to amphibians than to reptiles, though this remains uncertain.
  • Participants express skepticism about the speculative claims made in the show regarding early human behavior and the origins of religion, with some finding the presentation misleading.
  • Concerns are raised about the portrayal of Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons, with participants noting that the evidence for their interactions is limited and speculative.
  • Some participants share humorous comments about the absurdity of the show's dramatizations and the anthropocentric view presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the accuracy and portrayal of both dinosaurs and early humans in the show. Multiple competing views remain about the classification of dinosaurs and the validity of the show's claims.

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Participants highlight the speculative nature of the show's content, particularly regarding early human behavior and the classification of dinosaurs, indicating that many assumptions and interpretations are not definitively established.

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I'm watching this Discovery channel show about dinosaurs and all of them are growling and squeeking and honking and barking and they are being called reptiles. Aren't reptiles pretty quiet for the most part?
 
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tribdog said:
I'm watching this Discovery channel show about dinosaurs and all of them are growling and squeeking and honking and barking and they are being called reptiles. Aren't reptiles pretty quiet for the most part?
Reptiles, some of them, can hiss, but that's about it. The ones around here get your attention by banging pots and pans together.
 
I thought dinosaurs weren't reptiles? Or maybe I'm talking nonsense? I really need a nap.
 
tribdog said:
I'm watching this Discovery channel show about dinosaurs and all of them are growling and squeeking and honking and barking and they are being called reptiles. Aren't reptiles pretty quiet for the most part?
I think dinosaurs are closer to amphbians then reptiles
 
rachmaninoff said:
I thought dinosaurs weren't reptiles? Or maybe I'm talking nonsense? I really need a nap.
The show wasn't about dinosaurs but the proto-reptiles that preceeded and evolved into dinosaurs (and also later reptiles, I'm sure).
 
After that show the Discovery Channel switched the subject to early man. For the past hour it's been a bunch of people in makeup acting out some idiot's speculation about how religion might have gotten started, how everything might have gotten started for that matter. The people who direct these shows always think that early man was some kind of loudmouth, hyperexitable, clumsy lout, who pronounces every word slowly and tentatively as if it's the first time they've ever pronounced it. This is their way of indicating these people were dumber than us.

They wouldn't have survived if they were like that. They were most assuredly quiet, softspoken, and physically agile.
 
tribdog said:
I'm watching this Discovery channel show about dinosaurs and all of them are growling and squeeking and honking and barking and they are being called reptiles. Aren't reptiles pretty quiet for the most part?

well, the otherwise option will lead to bad rating, so most likely they will make some noises
 
Like if all the space scenes in Star Wars were silent.
 
Mk said:
Like if all the space scenes in Star Wars were silent.

Then they'd have to replace the actors with mimes.
 
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Crocodiles hum.
 
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arildno said:
Crocodiles hum.
don't know the words?
 
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tribdog said:
don't know the words?
Some have kazoos.
 
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Evo said:
Some have kazoos.
No Harmonicas? Oh right... lips...
 
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I used to have a harmonica. I could pick out tunes, slowly and poorly, but I have no idea how good harmonica players do it. I think good harmonica players are as talented as any symphonic musician.
 
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arildno said:
Crocodiles hum.
Yes the crocodilians as a group are rather http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/natsci/herpetology/brittoncrocs/images/!amis4b.wav" .
But for the best cold-blooded callers, check out these http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/topics/frogCalls.html" .
 
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zoobyshoe said:
After that show the Discovery Channel switched the subject to early man.

I think I was watching those same two shows. The first one was pretty interesting, but I have to agree, the second one seemed pretty ridiculous. I find it hard to imagine that their ramblings about beauty, spirituality, and art were anything more than anthropocentric speculation.
 
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SpaceTiger said:
I think I was watching those same two shows. The first one was pretty interesting, but I have to agree, the second one seemed pretty ridiculous. I find it hard to imagine that their ramblings about beauty, spirituality, and art were anything more than anthropocentric speculation.
That's what really bothered me. It was clearly speculation, but they presented it as fact, as if someone had scientifically determined all the scenarios were what actually happened. I was also bothered by the fact they didn't ever seem to distinguish between archaic homo sapiens and sapiens sapiens. It gave the false impression that modern man goes much farther back than he does.
 
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They claimed that humans did not have religion until a girl who was sick groaned at the same time an animal died. Thus making them think some sort of reincarnation took place.
I thought that was a bit too much of a stretch to actually claim as fact.
 
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tribdog said:
They claimed that humans did not have religion until a girl who was sick groaned at the same time an animal died. Thus making them think some sort of reincarnation took place.
No, you've got to be kidding. I am so glad I missed that, I stopped watching the dinosaur show because the poor things were being killed. :frown:
 
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Evo said:
No, you've got to be kidding. I am so glad I missed that, I stopped watching the dinosaur show because the poor things were being killed. :frown:
It was actually worse than tribdog described. A mother and daughter were struck by lightning. The mother was killed and the daughter knocked unconscious. Nearby was some sort of eland sort of animal. Since it was just sort of standing there, some of the men speared it. Just as it dies the little girl came to. One idiot, the first shaman, apparently, decided that the life that had left the animal had gone into the girl and restored her. He skinned the animal and laid the skin on the mother, hoping to restore her as well, but it didn't work. Still though, the practise of trying to control the forces of nature through magic had begun.

The main trouble was that instead of saying "Here's the sort of coincidence that might have given people the idea of spirits/magic, they just presented the whole thing as if it'd been recorded as fact on a stone carving, or something.

They asserted without qualification that the Neanderthals had lost to the Cro-Magnons in competition for food and shelter, and had thus died out, when that is just one train of speculation on the matter. It's pretty absurd to say we know anything about Neanderthals. They've only found the remains of 80 individuals and those span something like 130,000 years.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
It was actually worse than tribdog described. A mother and daughter were struck by lightning. The mother was killed and the daughter knocked unconscious. Nearby was some sort of eland sort of animal. Since it was just sort of standing there, some of the men speared it. Just as it dies the little girl came to. One idiot, the first shaman, apparently, decided that the life that had left the animal had gone into the girl and restored her. He skinned the animal and laid the skin on the mother, hoping to restore her as well, but it didn't work. Still though, the practise of trying to control the forces of nature through magic had begun.
The main trouble was that instead of saying "Here's the sort of coincidence that might have given people the idea of spirits/magic, they just presented the whole thing as if it'd been recorded as fact on a stone carving, or something.
They asserted without qualification that the Neanderthals had lost to the Cro-Magnons in competition for food and shelter, and had thus died out, when that is just one train of speculation on the matter. It's pretty absurd to say we know anything about Neanderthals. They've only found the remains of 80 individuals and those span something like 130,000 years.
Arrrggghhhh! That's why I don't watch that stuff.
 

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