Dipole, harmonic oscillator, and the coherent state

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The discussion revolves around modeling a weakly driven dipole as a damped driven simple harmonic oscillator (SHO) and whether this oscillator can be considered to be in a coherent state when driven by a classical monochromatic electromagnetic wave. Participants explore the implications of this model in terms of photon distribution and the nature of excitations in the oscillator.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a weakly driven dipole can be modeled as a damped driven SHO and questions if this leads to a coherent state with a Poisson distribution of photons in energy levels.
  • Another participant clarifies that the dipole should be treated as a harmonic resonator and that the interaction with electromagnetic waves leads to a driven harmonic oscillator, which can be in a coherent state if driven by a sine wave.
  • A different participant acknowledges the distinction made about excitations not being photons at zero temperature and reflects on the implications for the coherent state and Fock states.
  • One participant emphasizes that the term 'photon' is typically reserved for excitations of the quantum electromagnetic field and suggests that the terminology used may confuse others.
  • Another participant challenges the understanding of the coherent state and encourages a mathematical approach to solving the Hamiltonian for a driven quantum harmonic oscillator to clarify the concepts involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of excitations in the oscillator and the appropriateness of terminology regarding photons. There is no consensus on the implications of the coherent state or the interpretation of the oscillator's excitations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of mathematical treatment in understanding the driven quantum harmonic oscillator and the implications of temperature on the model, indicating that assumptions about zero temperature and the definitions of terms may affect the discussion.

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Dear all,

I am aware that a weakly driven dipole can be modeled as a damped driven simple harmonic oscillator.

If I have to model the dipole as being driven by a classical monochromatic electromagnetic wave, would the corresponding simple harmonic oscillator then be in coherent state ?

In other words would the SHO be having a poisson distribution of photons in its energy levels (just like, if the SHO was in equilibrium with a thermal reservoir it would be populated according to Bose-Einstein distribution corresponding to the reservoir temperature T) ?

Thanks!
 
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What do you mean by dipole? A dipole antenna?

Assuming what you mean is that you have some small metallic or dielectric rod, ignore loss, you can treat it as harmonic resonator, and equivalently, as quantum harmonic oscillator. Incident electromagnetic waves would couple to this resonator through dipole interaction. Then you will get a driven harmonic oscillator. If the driver is a simple sine-wave you will get coherent state in your oscillator. Whilst this treatment will lead you to creation/annihilation operators that have bosonic commutation relations, I would not call the excitations of your oscillator photons.

All of this is for zero temperature. If you want finite temperature. There will be more things to worry about.
 
Thanks Cryo for your reply. I want to isolate just the interaction of the harmonic resonator with the sine wave. So we can assume its at zero temperature.

I was indeed looking at the excitations as photons. Its interesting that you say these are not photons which are populating the higher energy states. Now that I think of it, I guess you are right because at zero temperature you do expect the photons to be in the ground state.

However, since the coherent state is a superposition of Fock states, I was picturing the the quantum harmonic oscillator in a coherent state to have its higher energy levels to also be populated - since the higher number Fock states do have definite number of photons. I'm clearly missing something elementary. What is wrong with my picturization ?

Thanks
 
IMHO, 'photon' is a term reserved for excitations of quantum electromagnetic field, usually some sort of propagating field. When you talk about your dipole (antenna) I am picturing a metallic or dielectric bar that houses some sort of mode. Sure, with enough paper you can try to express this mode in terms of photons, but it will not enlighten you, and it will confuse other people that are not used to your terminology. In any case, I don't think it is too important.7

Coherent state can be represented as superposition of Fock states, because the latter provides a complete and orthogonal basis set. Indeed, if your oscillator is driven by a sine-wave you will get a state that has non-zero amplitude for Fock-states with multiple quanta.

What I think you are missing is maths. Words are imprecise and subjective. Can you treat the problem of a driven quantum harmonic oscillator? Can you find the solution for the Hamiltonian:

##\hat{H}=\hbar\omega\left(\hat{a}^{\dagger}\hat{a}+\frac{1}{2}\right)+\alpha\exp\left(-\gamma\left| t\right|\right)\sin\left(\omega t\right)\left(\hat{a}^\dagger+\hat{a}\right)##

i.e. given initial state (##t\to -\infty##) is ##|0\rangle##, what is the final state (##t\to \infty##). Where ##\omega## is frequency, ##\gamma\to 0## is a vanishingly small quantity with units of frequency, ##t## is time, ##\hat{a}## is the anihilation operator for you resonator, and ##\alpha## is a real-valued constant with units of energy.

Once you can do this everything becomes clear.

I would suggest E. Merzbacher "Quantum Mechanics", Chapter 10, but many other texts do it too.
 
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