Dirac delta function in 2d polar coordinates

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The discussion centers around the Dirac delta function in the context of 2D polar coordinates, particularly in relation to its representation and integration properties compared to 3D spherical coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical expressions and implications of these delta functions in different dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that in 2D polar coordinates, the expression $$\triangledown \cdot \frac{\hat{\textbf{r}}}{r}=2π\delta^2(\textbf{r})$$ holds, suggesting that the integral over ##R^2## is 2π.
  • Another participant notes that the expressions provided are not written in specific coordinates and emphasizes that the delta functions are not simply products of coordinate delta functions.
  • A participant references a source, "Introductions to Electrodynamics" by David J. Griffiths, to support the expression for the 3D case involving the delta function.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of the quoted expression, suggesting that it may have been misquoted and reiterates that the original expression in the first post was correct.
  • A later reply discusses the use of the divergence theorem and suggests integrating over a sphere or circle to verify the results.
  • One participant introduces the concept of the Dirac delta function as a functional, indicating a deeper exploration of its properties at specific points.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation and representation of the delta functions in various dimensions. There is no consensus on the implications of the expressions or the correctness of the quotes from the referenced text.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the coordinate systems used and the nature of the delta functions. There are unresolved questions about the mathematical steps involved in the integration and the definitions applied to the delta functions.

Trollfaz
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In 3 d spherical coordinates we know that
$$\triangledown \cdot \frac{\hat{\textbf{r}}}{r^2}=4π\delta^3(\textbf{r})$$
Integration over all## R^3## is 4π
So when we remove the third dimensions and enter 2d polar coordinates then
$$\triangledown \cdot \frac{\hat{\textbf{r}}}{r}=2π\delta^2(\textbf{r})$$
So the integral over ##R^2## is 2π?
 
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First of all, note that your expressions are not written in any particular coordinates (apart from the interpretation of ##r## as a coordinate function and ##\hat{\boldsymbol r}## as the corresponding unit vector. In particular, the delta functions are not the product of the coordinate delta functions.

Apart from that: Yes. You can easily check the result by use of the divergence theorem and integration over a sphere/circle. In fact, that is one way to find the constant factors in front.
 
I'm quoting the first expression from Introductions to Electrodynamics (David J. Griffiths) Section 1.5.3, Eqn 1.99
$$\triangle \cdot \frac{\hat{r}}{r^2}=4π\delta^3(r)$$
 
Trollfaz said:
I'm quoting the first expression from Introductions to Electrodynamics (David J. Griffiths) Section 1.5.3, Eqn 1.99
$$\triangle \cdot \frac{\hat{r}}{r^2}=4π\delta^3(r)$$
You are missing the point (and hopefully misquoting Griffiths as the expression as written here makes no sense). The expression in your OP was correct. My comment was that it was not really something dependent on using spherical coordinates.
 
right, integral in ##R^3-B_\epsilon(0)##, and use divergence thm

if your are curious about the equation everypoint (specially point 0), that is Dirac delta, try to understand it as a functional like ##<\delta, \varphi>##, that is ## \int \limits_{R^3} \delta \varphi ##
 

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