Dirac eq gamma matrices question

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The discussion centers on the properties and transformations of Dirac spinors and gamma matrices in the context of quantum field theory. Participants explore the nature of Dirac bilinears, specifically how different combinations of spinors and gamma matrices yield different types of quantities, such as pseudoscalars and vectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the combination $$\overline\psi\gamma^5\psi$$ can be a pseudoscalar while $$\overline\psi\gamma^\mu\psi$$ is a vector, questioning the role of the different gamma matrices.
  • Another participant notes that many texts do not provide explicit proofs for the properties of Dirac bilinears and references a specific book that contains extensive calculations related to spinors in four dimensions.
  • A different participant clarifies that while gamma-5 and gamma-mu are matrices, the four gamma-mu matrices represent the Dirac algebra, whereas gamma-5 does not belong to that representation, suggesting this distinction explains their different roles.
  • One participant discusses the transformation of spinor components under Lorentz transformations, indicating that the transformation properties of Dirac covariants are determined by their commutators with the transformation matrix.
  • A later reply reiterates the distinction between gamma-5 and gamma-mu, emphasizing the need to understand how Dirac spinors transform under parity to clarify their respective characteristics as pseudoscalars and vectors.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanation of the differences between the gamma matrices and their resulting quantities. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Limitations include the lack of explicit proofs for the properties discussed, dependence on the definitions of transformations, and unresolved details regarding the mathematical steps involved in the transformations of Dirac spinors.

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In almost all the books on field theory I've seen, the authors list out the different types of quantities you can construct from the Dirac spinors and the gamma matrices, but I'm confused by how these work. For instance, if $$\overline\psi\gamma^5\psi$$ is a pseudoscalar, how can $$\overline\psi\gamma^\mu\psi$$ be a vector? Aren't gamma-5 and gamma-mu just different matrices? How do you get a vector out of the second operation?

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Have you seen proofs for these 2 results ? It's true that most books gloss over these things without the explicit calculations. I vaguely remember that the proofs for all the so-called <Dirac bilinears> are in Müller-Kirsten and Wiedemann's book on symmetries and supersymmetries. They contain about 100+ pages of calculations with spinors in 4D.
 
Gamma-5 and gamma-mu are indeed all matrices, BUT the four different gamma-mu represent the Dirac algebra, whereas gamma-5 is not an element of that representation - so that's where the difference must come in.
(If your question is about the number of components and the fact that really gamma-mu is just a single matrix, then what the authors mean is that the second quantity transforms as a *component* of a four-vector.)
 
In addition to transforming the spacetime coordinates, the Lorentz transformation also transforms the spinor components: ψ → Λψ, where Λ is a 4 x 4 matrix. For an infinitesimal transformation, Λ = I + ½εμνΣμν where Σμν = ½γμγν. It's their commutators with Σμν that determine the transformation properties of the Dirac covariants. For example, γμ → Λ-1γμΛ = γ'μ.
 
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Aren't gamma-5 and gamma-mu just different matrices? How do you get a vector out of the second operation?
For that you will have to learn how dirac spinors transform under parity.Under parity transformation
ψ-γ5ψ(x,t)-ψ-γ0γ5γ0ψ(-x,t)=-ψ-γ5ψ(-x,t)
which shows that it has a pseudoscalar character.while ψ-γμψ is a lorentz vector which means
ψ-γμψ-Λμvψ--1x)γvψ(Λ-1x)
 

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