Dirac Matrix Property? Possible Book mistake?

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The discussion revolves around a property of Dirac matrices as presented in a specific quantum field theory textbook, questioning whether a particular equation involving these matrices is a mistake. Participants explore the implications of this property in the context of deriving the Klein-Gordon (KG) equation from the Dirac equation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the equation \(\gamma_{\nu} \gamma^{\mu} = g_{\nu \sigma} \gamma^{\sigma} \gamma^{\mu}\) and suggests it may be a mistake in the book, noting that they cannot see why \(\gamma^{\mu} \gamma^{\nu} = \gamma^{\nu} \gamma^{\mu}\) would hold.
  • Another participant speculates that since \(g_{\mu \sigma}\) is symmetric, any antisymmetric terms in the equation might cancel out.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the relevance of the symmetry argument and reflects on the anticommutative nature of the gamma matrices.
  • One participant asserts that the author of the book is careless in writing the equation, explaining that the term can be expressed in terms of symmetric and antisymmetric components, and clarifies that the formula does not hold in general but only when summed against a symmetric object.
  • Another participant acknowledges that only the first equality in the original equation is correct, indicating a recognition of the error in the book.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the equation in question, with some suggesting it is a mistake while others provide reasoning that may support its use under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the original claim in the book.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the properties of the Dirac matrices and the metric tensor, as well as the implications of symmetry in the context of the equations discussed.

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Dirac Matrix Property? Possible Book mistake? Derive KG from Dirac

I got a copy of QFT demystified and on pg. 89 he says he can write [itex]\gamma_{\nu} \gamma^{\mu} = g_{\nu \sigma} \gamma^{\sigma} \gamma^{\mu} = g_{\nu \sigma} \frac{1}{2} (\gamma^{\sigma} \gamma^{\mu} + \gamma^{\mu} \gamma^{\sigma})[/itex]

and i am trying to figure out why this is because the only reason I could see why it's true is if [itex]\gamma^{\mu} \gamma^{\nu} = \gamma^{\nu} \gamma^{\mu}[/itex] which for the love of my brain I can't figure out why that would be true, I'm pretty sure it's not. Is this a book mistake. For reference what he is doing is deriving the KG equation starting from Dirac.

on another note, regardless of the answer what i am actually looking for is a derivation of the kg equation starting from dirac, or perhaps the other way around. if someone can point me to that, that is a fine answer as well.
 
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Just guessing here, but isn't [itex]g_{\mu \sigma}[/itex] symmetric, so any antisymmetric terms would cancel?
 
i don't see what you mean
 
Yeah, I think what I was thinking isn't relevant after all. If anything, I had thought the gammas anticommute.
 


silence11 said:
I got a copy of QFT demystified and on pg. 89 he says he can write [itex]\gamma_{\nu} \gamma^{\mu} = g_{\nu \sigma} \gamma^{\sigma} \gamma^{\mu} = g_{\nu \sigma} \frac{1}{2} (\gamma^{\sigma} \gamma^{\mu} + \gamma^{\mu} \gamma^{\sigma})[/itex]

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To prove the formula, you just need to sum over the dummy indices in the right-hand side: remember that the metric tensor [itex]g_{\nu \sigma}[/itex] lowers indices.
 
I had a look at that book, he's being careless in writing that equation. The important thing is that the term he wants to simplify can be written as ##\gamma^\mu \gamma^\nu \partial_\mu \partial_\nu##. The derivatives here are symmetric in ##\mu\nu##, so we want to compute the symmetric part of

$$ \gamma^\mu \gamma^\nu = \frac{1}{2} \{ \gamma^\mu, \gamma^\nu\} + \frac{1}{2} [\gamma^\mu ,\gamma^\nu].$$

The first term is symmetric, while the second, commutator, part is antisymmetric. The antisymmetric part vanishes when we sum against ##\partial_\mu \partial_\nu##.

The formula in your OP does not hold in general, only in a sum against a symmetric object.

As for deriving the KG equation from the Dirac eq, the method in this book is fine as long as you realize the sloppiness. Usually, we just note that, from

$$ (i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu - m) \psi =0,$$

we can just compute

$$ 0 = (i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu + m) (i\gamma^\mu \partial_\mu - m) \psi = - (\partial^\mu\partial_\mu + m^2 ) \psi,$$

which is the KG equation. This is entirely equivalent to the derivation given in the book.
 
I am sorry, I was not careful enough: indeed, only the first equality is correct.
 
okie doke, thanks frank.
 

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