Direct product of abelian groups. Isomorphism.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the isomorphism of finite abelian groups, specifically addressing the problem of showing that if \( A \times B \cong A \times C \), then \( B \cong C \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of group theory concepts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an approach involving the isomorphism \( \psi: A \times B \rightarrow A \times C \) and defines a function \( \phi \) to relate the groups, expressing a need to show that \( \ker \phi = A \times \{e\} \).
  • Another participant argues that the initial approach is flawed, providing a counterexample with \( A = B = C = \mathbb{Z}_2 \) and discussing the implications of an automorphism that does not preserve the structure of the groups involved.
  • Some participants suggest that the structure theorem for finite abelian groups may be necessary for solving the problem, indicating a potential direction for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial approach to the problem, with some asserting that it is fundamentally flawed while others suggest alternative theoretical frameworks that may be relevant. No consensus is reached on the correct method to prove the isomorphism.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of the finite abelian group properties and the implications of the structure theorem. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of group automorphisms and their effects on the isomorphism conditions.

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Let $A,B,C$ be finite abelian groups. Assume that $A\times B\cong A\times C$. Show that $B\cong C$.

I observed that $(A\times B)/(A\times\{e\})\cong B$ and $(A\times C)/(A\times\{e\})\cong C$.

So I need to show that $(A\times B)/(A\times\{e\})\cong (A\times C)/(A\times\{e\})$.

Let $\psi:A\times B\rightarrow A\times C$ be an isomorphism.

Define $\phi:A\times B \rightarrow (A\times C)/(A\times\{e\})$ as $\phi(a,b)=(\psi(a,b))(A\times\{e\})$.

If I could show that $\ker \phi=A\times\{e\}$ then I'd be done.

For that I need $\psi(a,e)\in A\times\{e\}$ for all $a\in A$, which I am unable to show and this might not even be true.

Please help.
 
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i don't have an answer, but i can tell you your approach is doomed.

let A = B = C = Z2.

we have the automorphism:

(1,0)-->(1,1)
(0,1)-->(1,0)

note that is is NOT true that the image of Z2x{0} is Z2x{0}, it is:

{(0,0),(0,1)}.

i feel that the assumption that G is finite abelian has to be used in some essential way, and your approach does not do that.
 
Opalg said:
I am no expert on group theory, but my feeling is that maybe you need to use the structure theorem for finite abelian groups for this problem.
I never thoroughly read he structure theorem. So I think now is the time to do that.
 
Deveno said:
i don't have an answer, but i can tell you your approach is doomed.

let A = B = C = Z2.

we have the automorphism:

(1,0)-->(1,1)
(0,1)-->(1,0)

note that is is NOT true that the image of Z2x{0} is Z2x{0}, it is:

{(0,0),(0,1)}.

i feel that the assumption that G is finite abelian has to be used in some essential way, and your approach does not do that.
Thank you.
 

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