Direct Sums and Factor Modules .... Bland Problem 14, Problem Set 2.1

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The discussion revolves around Problem 14 from Problem Set 2.1 in Paul E. Bland's book "Rings and Their Modules," specifically focusing on the concepts of direct sums and R-homomorphisms. Participants seek to clarify the definitions and properties related to these mathematical structures, as well as the application of the First Isomorphism Theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses difficulty in starting Problem 14 and seeks guidance on how to approach it.
  • Some participants propose defining an R-homomorphism from the direct sum of modules to the direct sum of quotient modules.
  • There is a discussion about the canonical surjection from a module to its quotient and how it relates to the defined R-homomorphism.
  • Participants explore the explicit form of elements in the quotient of direct sums and the kernel of the R-map.
  • One participant notes the distinction between internal and external direct sums, suggesting that the notations should reflect this difference.
  • Peter attempts to apply the First Isomorphism Theorem to show an isomorphism between two quotient structures, seeking confirmation of his reasoning.
  • Another participant confirms Peter's reasoning but provides a clarification regarding the kernel of the R-map.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the proposed R-homomorphism and the application of the First Isomorphism Theorem, though there are clarifications and corrections made regarding the kernel of the map. The discussion remains focused on refining the understanding of these concepts rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of internal versus external direct sums, which may affect the notation and understanding of the problem. The exact form of elements in the quotient structures is also a point of uncertainty.

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I am reading Paul E. Bland's book: Rings and Their Modules and am currently focused on Section 2.1 Direct Products and Direct Sums ... ...

I need help to make a meaningful start on Problem 14 of Problem Set 2.1 ...

Problem 14 of Problem Set 2.1 reads as follows:View attachment 8115I am somewhat overwhelmed by this problem ...

Can someone please hep me to make a meaningful start on the problem ...Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 
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Define an R-homomorphism $$f:\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha \to \bigoplus_\Delta \frac{M_\alpha}{N_\alpha}$$
 
steenis said:
Define an R-homomorphism $$f:\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha \to \bigoplus_\Delta \frac{M_\alpha}{N_\alpha}$$
Thanks for the help, Steenis ...

Hmm ... but still not sure how to proceed ...

Can you help a bit further ...

Peter
 
It is an obvious R-map.

Another hint: what is the obvious R-map between $M$ and $M/N$ ?
 
steenis said:
It is an obvious R-map.

Another hint: what is the obvious R-map between $M$ and $M/N$ ?
Hi Steenis ...

The obvious R-map between $M$ and $M/N$ is the canonical surjection or natural map $$\eta \ : \ M \rightarrow M/N$$ ...

... defined by $$\eta (x) = x + N = \overline{ x }$$ ...
Now you suggest we consider ...

$$f:\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha \to \bigoplus_\Delta \frac{M_\alpha}{N_\alpha}$$... but how do we define this R-homomorphism ...?Well ... we can write $$x \in \bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha$$ as $$x = \sum_\Delta x_\alpha$$ ...... but how do we define $$f$$ ... is it something like ...$$f(x) = f ( \sum_\Delta x_\alpha ) = \sum_\Delta ( x_\alpha + N_\alpha )$$ ...Unsure of this ... can you help further ...

... and anyway ... how do we proceed ...I am having trouble understanding the exact and explicit form of elements in $$( \bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha ) / ( \bigoplus_\Delta N_\alpha )$$ and $$\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha / N_\alpha$$ ...Hope you can help further ...

Peter
 
1) from the context it does not show that the direct sums are internal, but that they are external (compare the definitions), so the notations should be ...

2) if you have the notations right, your R-map is correct.

3) now determine the kernel of the R-map.
 
steenis said:
1) from the context it does not show that the direct sums are internal, but that they are external (compare the definitions), so the notations should be ...

2) if you have the notations right, your R-map is correct.

3) now determine the kernel of the R-map.
Hi Steenis ... thanks ...

Have taken note of the points you have made ...We have to show that $$( \bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha ) / ( \bigoplus_\Delta N_\alpha )$$ $$\cong$$ $$\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha / N_\alpha$$ ...So we define ...

$$f:\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha \to \bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha / N_\alpha $$

where $$f( (x_\alpha) ) = \bigoplus_\Delta ( x_\alpha + N_\alpha ) $$Now f is a surjective homomorphism with kernel ...

$$\text{Ker } f = \bigoplus_\Delta ( 0 + N_\alpha ) = \bigoplus_\Delta N_\alpha$$ ...Therefore ... by the First Isomorphism Theorem we have ...$$( \bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha ) / \text{Ker } f $$ $$\cong$$ $$\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha / N_\alpha$$ ...That is ...$$( \bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha ) / ( \bigoplus_\Delta N_\alpha )$$ $$\cong$$ $$\bigoplus_\Delta M_\alpha / N_\alpha$$ ...
Is that correct... ?

Peter
 
Yes all correct, one remark:

$\text{Ker } f = \bigoplus_\Delta ( n_\alpha + N_\alpha ) = \bigoplus_\Delta N_\alpha$, where $n_\alpha \in N_\alpha$
 
steenis said:
Yes all correct, one remark:

$\text{Ker } f = \bigoplus_\Delta ( n_\alpha + N_\alpha ) = \bigoplus_\Delta N_\alpha$, where $n_\alpha \in N_\alpha$
Thanks for the correction, Steenis ...

... ... and thanks for all your help with this problem ...

Peter
 

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