Direction of motion if there are two unequal opposite forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of applying forces on a particle at rest in a gravitational field, specifically addressing whether an upward force can overcome gravitational acceleration and initiate upward motion. The scope includes conceptual understanding of forces, acceleration, and motion in physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if applying a force that produces an upward acceleration of 4.9 m/s² will result in upward motion, given the downward gravitational acceleration of 9.8 m/s².
  • Another participant asserts that for the particle to move upward, the applied force must exceed the gravitational force, specifically requiring a total force of (9.8 + 4.9)m Newtons to achieve upward motion.
  • A similar point is reiterated, emphasizing that a force producing an acceleration greater than 9.8 m/s² in the opposite direction to gravity is necessary for upward movement.
  • One participant clarifies that the net force must be positive for upward motion to commence from a state of rest, and discusses the misconception that a momentary upward force can reverse the direction of a freely falling object.
  • Another participant reinforces the idea that to maintain an object in place against gravity, a force equal to mg is required to produce no acceleration, highlighting the importance of net force in determining motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a net upward force is required to initiate upward motion from rest, but there is some contention regarding the specifics of the forces and accelerations involved, indicating multiple competing views on the conditions necessary for motion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the nuances of the forces and accelerations required, nor does it clarify the assumptions about the initial conditions of the particle or the nature of the forces applied.

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If a particle is in the state of rest on the ground , and I apply a force such that it produces an acceleration 4.9 ##\frac{m}{s^2}## upward , will it move upward , considering there's gravitational acceleration 9.8 ##\frac{m}{s^2}## in the downward direction, or will it remain at rest?
 
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If the force produces that acceleration, then it must move. But it takes a force of ## (9.8 + 4.9)m ## Newton to do this with a mass ##m##. Any force less than ##mg## and it doesn't move.
 
BvU said:
If the force produces that acceleration, then it must move. But it takes a force of ## (9.8 + 4.9)m ## Newton to do this with a mass ##m##. Any force less than ##mg## and it doesn't move.
So it takes a force which produces an acceleration greater than 9.8 m/s^2 in opposite direction to gravitational acceleration to move the body in upward direction?
 
The net force on the object must be positive (upward direction) for it to start moving in that direction, if it was initially at rest. If the body were free falling (and thus subject exclusively to gravity), a momentary application of a net positive force will slow it down (reduce its speed) but won't make it instantaneously start going up. This is a common misconception; it is the velocity vector which tells you in which direction the body is moving, not the acceleration.
 
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NoahCygnus said:
So it takes a force which produces an acceleration greater than 9.8 m/s^2 in opposite direction to gravitational acceleration to move the body in upward direction?
To keep an object in place in a gravitation field it takes a force ##mg## to produce no acceleration whatsoever. It just compensates the gravity force. As Joe says, it's the net force that causes the acceleration.
 

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