Directional derivatives vs Partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between directional derivatives and partial derivatives in the context of functions of two variables, specifically f(x,y). Participants explore whether the existence of directional derivatives implies the existence of partial derivatives and vice versa.

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  • Participants question if directional derivatives automatically imply the existence of partial derivatives, with some suggesting that partial derivatives are indeed special cases of directional derivatives. Others raise the possibility of functions having directional derivatives in some directions but not in others.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various viewpoints being explored. Some participants provide insights into the definitions and implications of directional and partial derivatives, while others express uncertainty about specific cases and nomenclature.

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There is a mention of the potential for functions to have directional derivatives in certain directions without having partial derivatives, indicating a nuanced understanding of the topic. Additionally, the discussion references the need for clarity in definitions and the implications of directional differentiability.

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Homework Statement
The difference between partial and directional derivatives
Relevant Equations
directional derivatives
Good day
I just want to confirm if a function f(x,y) who has directional derivatives has automatically partial derivatives (even though the function itself is not necessarly differentiable)? Can we consider that partial derivatives are special cases of directional derivatives?
Thank you in advance!
 
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The definitions of the directional derivative and of the partial derivative can be put in the "Relevant Equations" section.
You should look at the definition of the directional derivative and see if there are certain directions that would give the partial derivatives.
 
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Amaelle said:
Homework Statement:: The difference between partial and directional derivatives
Relevant Equations:: directional derivatives

Can we consider that partial derivatives are special cases of directional derivatives?
Yes, they are the directional derivatives in the directions of the "coordinates " (i.e. the parameters).
 
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If I remember correctly, I would say yes, that partial derivatives are special cases of directional derivatives (at least if the directional derivatives are defined with respect to vectors with norm 1).
Therefore if any directional derivative is defined for a function, the partial derivatives will be defined as well. But that doesn't mean that you can't find a function with directional derivatives for some directions, that don't have partial derivatives.
Therefore I would say that the implication is just the other way: If a function has partial derivatives, it will have directional derivatives (since partial derivatives are directional derivatives). But not the opposite, that is what you said.
 
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Amaelle said:
Homework Statement:: The difference between partial and directional derivatives
Relevant Equations:: directional derivatives

Good day
I just want to confirm if a function f(x,y) who has directional derivatives has automatically partial derivatives (even though the function itself is not necessarly differentiable)? Can we consider that partial derivatives are special cases of directional derivatives?
Thank you in advance!
Yes. A derivative is always a directional derivative, which includes partial derivatives. Constructions like gradient, Jacobi matrices, or total derivatives are only collections of various directional derivatives, e.g. in form of a linear combination of partial derivatives.

Have a read: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/the-pantheon-of-derivatives-i/
 
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thank you very much
I just have another question
when a function admits directional derivatives, it means it admit it for all directions or maybe be there might exist function that admits directional derivatives in some directions but not in other directions?
thank you!
 
If I remember correctly (I studied many years ago) there should be no problem to find a function that has directional derivative for some directions, but not for others.
If then such a function is said to have "directional derivatives" is something I'm not sure about. But it's just a nomenclature issue...
 
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Amaelle said:
thank you very much
I just have another question
when a function admits directional derivatives, it means it admit it for all directions
This is usually meant if no specific direction is named. In such cases, it is an all quantifier.
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or maybe be there might exist function that admits directional derivatives in some directions but not in other directions?
thank you!
There are such functions, e.g. if you imagine a curved three-dimensional ##\mathcal{V}##. But we cannot say that such a function is directional differentiable because it is not in all directions. The link above contains some examples.
 

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