Discharging capasitors and it's general electrical propertie

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of capacitors in series with a resistor during the discharging process. Participants explore concepts related to current and voltage behavior, capacitance, charge conservation, and the implications of initial conditions on the final state of the capacitors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the behavior of two capacitors in series with a resistor, questioning whether current and voltage drop exponentially and if capacitance remains constant over time.
  • Another participant confirms that if the components are in series, the two capacitors can be treated as a single equivalent capacitor, suggesting that the situation is overly complicated with two separate capacitors.
  • It is stated that the capacitance of an ideal capacitor is constant, regardless of time.
  • There is a discussion about charge conservation, with one participant asserting that if charge is drained from a capacitor, the total charge decreases, indicating that charge is not unchanged over time.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that two charged capacitors can end up with opposite charges when the current stops flowing, depending on their initial conditions and values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of charge behavior in the discharging process, with some asserting that charge remains unchanged while others suggest it can vary based on the circuit configuration and initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the initial conditions of the capacitors and the specific values used in the examples, which may affect the outcomes discussed.

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It's just that I've never properly sorted this confusion of mind, so i would like to sort it out

so it 2 different capacitors are in series with a resistor: (let's say 0.15F, 0.45F, 150M ohm)
1. both current and voltage drops exponentially
2. capacitance on capacitors remain same over time?
2. the charge on capacitors is same over time?
because Current decreases, and Time increases, does that mean Charge (Q=I*T) is unchanged
3. at t=0 charge on cap 1 = charge on cap 2?
Since they're in series, current should be same, therefore charge is same? But Q=CV, and capacitance is differentthankyou.
 
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You mean the two capacitors and the resistor are all in series?
 
1832vin said:
It's just that I've never properly sorted this confusion of mind, so i would like to sort it out
so it 2 different capacitors are in series with a resistor: (let's say 0.15F, 0.45F, 150M ohm)
If all three components are in series then the two capacitors are equivalent to a single capacitor. You are needlessly complicating the situation by having two capacitors instead of one. Let's take a 1 F capacitor in series with a 1 ohm resistor.
1. both current and voltage drops exponentially
Yes.
2. capacitance on capacitors remain same over time?
Yes. The capacitance of an ideal capacitor is a constant.
3. the charge on capacitors is same over time?
because Current decreases, and Time increases, does that mean Charge (Q=I*T) is unchanged
More basic than that. If you have a pool of charge and drain some charge, the pool shrinks. Charge is a conserved quantity.

If we have the two terminals of a 1F capacitor connected to the two terminals of a 1 ohm resistor then current decays by a factor of 1/e every second. If it starts charged at 1 Volt then the capacitor also starts with 1 Coulomb of charge.

After one second, there is only about 0.37 Volts and 0.37 Coulombs. 0.63 Coulombs having drained through the resistor at an average of 0.63 amps during that first second.

After two seconds there is only about 0.14 Volts and 0.14 Coulombs remaining. 0.23 Coulombs having drained through the resistor at an average of 0.23 amps during that second second.

After three seconds there is only about 0.05 Volts and 0.05 Coulombs remaining. 0.09 Coulombs having drained through the resistor at an average of 0.09 amps during that third second.
 
In the general case of two charged capacitors discharging in series with a resistor, the result can be that the two Cs can end up with (opposite) charges on them when the current has stopped flowing. It all depends on the values and the initial charges.
 

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