Discover the Fascinating Relationship Between Moon Gravity and Vacuum in Space

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter earl tasylor
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gravity Moon Vacuum
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between lunar gravity and the effects of vacuum on jumping ability and the behavior of objects on the Moon's surface. Participants explore theoretical implications, practical observations, and the physics of motion in a vacuum compared to Earth.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Moon's gravity is one sixth that of Earth's, suggesting that a jump of 12 inches on Earth could translate to a jump of 72 inches on the Moon.
  • There is a discussion about whether the vacuum of space affects jumping height, with some arguing that air resistance is largely irrelevant in this context.
  • One participant suggests that while the vacuum does not significantly impact jumping height, it may influence other actions, such as throwing a ball.
  • Another participant questions the assumption that dust from lunar module tires behaves as it would under Earth's gravity, suggesting that visual perceptions may be misleading due to the Moon's unique conditions.
  • Some participants propose that the limiting factors for jumping height may relate to muscle force and biomechanics rather than simply the gravitational difference.
  • A suggestion is made for a potential experiment using a bungee cord to simulate reduced weight and explore jumping dynamics further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of vacuum on jumping ability and the interpretation of observations regarding dust behavior on the Moon. There is no consensus on the exact effects or the validity of certain assumptions made during the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about muscle dynamics and biomechanics that are not fully explored. The discussion also highlights the challenges of interpreting visual observations in a low-gravity environment.

earl tasylor
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
I read on the net that the moons gravity is one sixth that of Earth's so if I could jump 12" off the ground on Earth it would be 72" on the moon.

I also see (you tube) that in a vacuum (akin to the moons surface) if you drop a feather and kilo weight simultaneously they reach the ground at the same time.

Does the vacuum have any effect on the first paragrap. If you're jumping through a vacuum could you jump higher as there is less resistance.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
earl tasylor said:
I read on the net that the moons gravity is one sixth that of Earth's so if I could jump 12" off the ground on Earth it would be 72" on the moon.

I also see (you tube) that in a vacuum (akin to the moons surface) if you drop a feather and kilo weight simultaneously they reach the ground at the same time.

Does the vacuum have any effect on the first paragrap. If you're jumping through a vacuum could you jump higher as there is less resistance.
Air resistance is largely irrelevant in this case.
So no, the vacuum(or the absence of air resistance) has no significant impact on how high you can jump.
When throwing a ball you could expect a decent difference.
 
Tazerfish said:
Air resistance is largely irrelevant in this case.
So no, the vacuum(or the absence of air resistance) has no significant impact on how high you can jump.
When throwing a ball you could expect a decent difference.
On that basis you could expect to jump higher, if not 6x then maybe 2-3x for example.

Moving on. The dust from the tyres of the lunar module on Apollo missions seemed to act in Earth's gravity. If a vacuum isn't countering the moon gravity why does the dust thrown from the tyres act this way.
 
earl tasylor said:
I read on the net that the moons gravity is one sixth that of Earth's so if I could jump 12" off the ground on Earth it would be 72" on the moon.

That is probably an underestimate. The limiting factor would be the velocity-force relationship of the muscles, but there is no obvious reason why the limit should be 6x. See this previous thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ump-21-times-higher-than-on-the-earth.774140/
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: jbriggs444
earl tasylor said:
On that basis you could expect to jump higher, if not 6x then maybe 2-3x for example.

Moving on. The dust from the tyres of the lunar module on Apollo missions seemed to act in Earth's gravity. If a vacuum isn't countering the moon gravity why does the dust thrown from the tyres act this way.
What do you mean by "the vacuum countering the moon gravity" ?
The vacuum has no such effect on gravity. You probably misunderstood some basic physics. Maybe you can explain a little more.
 
earl tasylor said:
On that basis you could expect to jump higher, if not 6x then maybe 2-3x for example.
This has been discussed at length in several past threads. It's hard to make a good prediction because (at least in my opinion) the speed that your legs can actually push your feet downward is limited by leg length and their actual mass (moment of inertia). I have a feeling that one could do a pretty valid experiment using a bungee cord from a high suspension point which is pulling you upwards enough to remove 5/6 of your weight. So you would be accelerating your full mass against 1/6 of your weight. The lift force from the bungee would not change noticeably if the cord is a few tens of m long (negligible fractional change in length).
I suggest that you could do better if you used 'blades' (as used by amputees ) of an appropriate length and stiffness to match your muscles better to the changed requirements.
 
earl tasylor said:
The dust from the tyres of the lunar module on Apollo missions seemed to act in Earth's gravity
You don't mean that, do you? It would go upwards, towards the Earth if it were. The motion of the dust appeared fairly fast but we were visually comparing it with the behaviour of dust through air on Earth. It is easy to make assumptions about what you see under such strange conditions. Everything in those videos of life on the Moon had a slo-mo look about it because of the difficulty in walking normally and it seriously affected our impressions of the dynamics up there. I am more prepared to go with the theory, actually and ignore what I thought I saw.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 76 ·
3
Replies
76
Views
31K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
6K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
10K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
5K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
9K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
7K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K