Discover the Truth About Quadrilateral Area: Diagonal x 1/2 or More?"

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The discussion revolves around the area calculation of quadrilaterals, specifically questioning whether the area can be determined by the product of its diagonals divided by two. Participants explore this concept in relation to specific types of quadrilaterals such as rhombuses and parallelograms.

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  • Participants question the validity of using the product of diagonals to find the area of quadrilaterals, with some providing counterexamples like rectangles. Others share personal experiences of arriving at an area calculation by this method and seek clarification on the correct formula.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing counterexamples and clarifying misunderstandings. Some have suggested that the method may only apply to specific cases, such as squares and rhombuses, while others emphasize the general formula for area as a more straightforward approach.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the properties of quadrilaterals and the implications of using diagonal measurements for area calculations. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the correct application of formulas based on the shape's characteristics.

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Is it true that the area of quadrilateral in general is the product of its diagonal divided by 2 ? Does this include rhombus or parallellogram ?
 
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thereddevils said:
Is it true that the area of quadrilateral in general is the product of its diagonal divided by 2 ? Does this include rhombus or parallellogram ?
Did you mean "product of its diagonals divided by 2"? If so, this isn't true.

As a counterexample, consider a rectangle whose width is w and length l. The length of the diagonal is sqrt(w^2 + l^2). The product of the diagonals is w^2 + l^2, and half that is (1/2)(w^2 + l^2) != lw.

If that's not what you meant, what did you mean?
 
Mark44 said:
Did you mean "product of its diagonals divided by 2"? If so, this isn't true.

As a counterexample, consider a rectangle whose width is w and length l. The length of the diagonal is sqrt(w^2 + l^2). The product of the diagonals is w^2 + l^2, and half that is (1/2)(w^2 + l^2) != lw.

If that's not what you meant, what did you mean?

thanks Mark, yes that's what i meant.

I came across this question asking to find the area of quadrilateral and i have the values of its diagonals. I got the answer coincidentally by multiplying its diagonals and halved it.

What's the correct formula ?
 
no this is not true.
 
Refer to this quick diagram:

http://yfrog.com/afpf4j

OK so you know the values of A and B right, and you need to find the area of the shape.

Obviously the area is given by X \times Y.

Also the length of diagonal A, which is equal to the diagonal length B, is obviously given by A=B=\sqrt{X^{2}+Y^{2}}

If you follow your method:

\frac{A\times B}{2}=\frac{(\sqrt{X^{2}+Y^{2}})\times (\sqrt{X^{2}+Y^{2}})}{2}=\frac{X^{2}+Y^{2}}{2}

Hence can see:

\frac{X^{2}+Y^{2}}{2}\neq XY

Although like you said you can 'accidently' get the correct answer, if for example X=Y=2 but it's not true in general.

Hope that helps :smile:
 
Axiom17 said:
Refer to this quick diagram:

http://yfrog.com/afpf4j

OK so you know the values of A and B right, and you need to find the area of the shape.

Obviously the area is given by X \times Y.

Also the length of diagonal A, which is equal to the diagonal length B, is obviously given by A=B=\sqrt{X^{2}+Y^{2}}

If you follow your method:

\frac{A\times B}{2}=\frac{(\sqrt{X^{2}+Y^{2}})\times (\sqrt{X^{2}+Y^{2}})}{2}=\frac{X^{2}+Y^{2}}{2}

Hence can see:

\frac{X^{2}+Y^{2}}{2}\neq XY

Although like you said you can 'accidently' get the correct answer, if for example X=Y=2 but it's not true in general.

Hope that helps :smile:


thanks ! So that method only works for quadrilaterals with all equal sides ie squares and rhombus.
 
I Believe that to be the case.

If the sides are equal:

<br /> \frac{A\times A}{2}=\frac{(\sqrt{X^{2}+X^{2}})\times (\sqrt{X^{2}+X^{2}})}{2}=\frac{2X^{2}}{2}=X^{2}<br />

Hence clearly:

X^{2}=X\times X

So the method would work. But surely it's much easier to just use Area=X\times Y :smile:
 

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