DISCRETE: A-ø=? (A is defined)

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The discussion revolves around set theory, specifically the operations involving set difference. The original poster presents a set A containing various elements, including the empty set, and poses two statements regarding the difference between A and the empty set.

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the truth value of two statements involving set difference, expressing initial confusion about which statement is true. They explore the implications of the empty set's presence in A and question the nature of set difference.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some suggesting that the original poster's reasoning may lead to a clearer understanding. There is an exploration of the distinction between the empty set and a set containing the empty set, which appears to be guiding the discussion toward clarification.

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Participants are considering the definitions and properties of set operations, particularly focusing on the difference between A and the empty set versus A and a set containing the empty set. This distinction is central to their reasoning and understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Suppose A={ø,1,2,{1,2},{3}}. Determine if each statement is true or false. Give a brief justification for your answers.
(I finished the majority of them except for the last two)
g) A-ø=A
h) A-ø={1,2,{1,2},{3}}

Homework Equations


The definition of difference between two sets.
Let A and B both be sets. Then A-B={x: x\inA and x\notinB}

The Attempt at a Solution


So basically one of the questions is false and the other is true. Immediately I want to say (h) is true just because A has an empty set in it but after thinking about it I think (g) is true.
This is because we are trying compare what is in the empty set that A also contains... but the empty set has nothing in it so there is nothing to take from A. Therefore A-ø=A. Is this right? If it's not can someone explain to me why?
I'm getting quite conflicted as to which one I believe is true. Help understanding which is true would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
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MelissaJL said:

Homework Statement


Suppose A={ø,1,2,{1,2},{3}}. Determine if each statement is true or false. Give a brief justification for your answers.
(I finished the majority of them except for the last two)
g) A-ø=A
h) A-ø={1,2,{1,2},{3}}

Homework Equations


The definition of difference between two sets.
Let A and B both be sets. Then A-B={x: x\inA and x\notinB}

The Attempt at a Solution


So basically one of the questions is false and the other is true. Immediately I want to say (h) is true just because A has an empty set in it but after thinking about it I think (g) is true.
This is because we are trying compare what is in the empty set that A also contains... but the empty set has nothing in it so there is nothing to take from A. Therefore A-ø=A. Is this right? If it's not can someone explain to me why?
I'm getting quite conflicted as to which one I believe is true. Help understanding which is true would be greatly appreciated. :)

Think about the difference between A-ø and A-{ø}. ø (which has no elements) and {ø} (which has one element ø) are two different things. That might help.
 
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Thanks, so (g) is true and (h) is false. If (h) were to be true then it would be A-{emptyset}={1,2,{1,2},{3}}?
 
MelissaJL said:
Thanks, so (g) is true and (h) is false. If (h) were to be true then it would be A-{emptyset}={1,2,{1,2},{3}}?

Yes, A-{ø}={1,2,{1,2},{3}}. A-ø=A. You were right.
 
Thank you so much :)
 

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