If O is an event space, show for a finite number of events--

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves demonstrating that for a finite number of events within an event space, the set of points in the sample space that belong to exactly a specified number of these events also belongs to the same event space. The context is rooted in the properties of sigma-algebras and event spaces in probability theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the case for two events and extend reasoning to multiple events, exploring the implications of closure properties of the event space. Some participants express uncertainty about specific notations and definitions, while others attempt to clarify the meaning of certain expressions and the structure of the sets involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various attempts to define the set of points belonging to exactly k events. Some participants have provided insights into the definitions and properties of the sets, while others are still grappling with the notation and underlying concepts. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning have emerged.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also a focus on ensuring that all reasoning adheres to the properties of sigma-algebras.

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Homework Statement


"If ##A_1,...,A_m\in O## and ##k\in ℕ##, show that the set of points in ##Ω## (the sample space) which belong to exactly ##k## of the ##A_i## belongs to ##O## (the previous exercise is the case when ##m=2## and ##k=1##)."

Homework Equations


Event space: O
##O\neq ∅##
##\text{If} \space A\in O\space \text{then} \space Ω\cap A^c \in O##
##\text{If} \space A_1,...\in O \space \text{then} \space \bigcup_{i=1}^\infty A_i \in O##

The Attempt at a Solution


This is how I have done the case for when ##m=2## and ##k=1##:

Since ##A,B\in O##, then it follows that since ##O## is closed under the operations of finite unions, that ##A\cup B\in O##. Moreover, since ##O## is closed under the operations of finite intersecctions, then it is true that ##A\cap B \in O##. Moreover, since ##A\cap B \in O##, then ##Ω\cap (A\cap B)^c \in O##. In turn, the symmetric difference of ##A## and ##B##, ##(A\cup B)\cap (A\cap B)^c =AΔB\in O##.

This is my attempt to solve for ##m,n\in ℕ##:

Since ##A_i\in O, i\in [1,m]\ \cap ℕ##, then it follows that ##\bigcup_{i=1}^m A_i \in O##. Moreover, ##\bigcup_{i\neq j} A_i\cap A_j\in O##. Then ##(\bigcup_{i=1}^m A_i)\cap (\bigcup_{i\neq j} A_i\cap A_j)^c\in O##. I've tried defining a set ##B_j=\{A_i:\forall x,y\in Ω, \text{If} \space x\in A_i, y\in A_n, \text{then} \space x,y\notin A_i\cap A_n, n\neq i\}##, with ##1\leq j \leq k## and writing: ##(\bigcup_{j=1}^k B_j)\cap (\bigcup_{i\neq j} A_i\cap A_j)^c\in O##, but I'm not really sure that I understand the problem.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
"If ##A_1,...,A_m\in O## and ##k\in ℕ##, show that the set of points in ##Ω## (the sample space) which belong to exactly ##k## of the ##A_i## belongs to ##O## (the previous exercise is the case when ##m=2## and ##k=1##)."
Call the set described in red text ##B_k##.

Now for ##k\in\{1,...,m\}## define ##D^m_k## to be the set of all ##k##-element subsets of ##\{1,...,m\}##. Then the set of all elements that are in ##k## or more of the ##A_j## is
$$F_k\triangleq \bigcup_{S\in D^m_k} \bigcap_{j\in S} A_j$$
Confirm this to yourself before proceeding.

Then confirm that ##F_k\in O##.

Then see if you can write ##B_k## as the result of a finite sequence of sigma-algebra-preserving operations on the ##F_k##.
 
andrewkirk said:
Then the set of all elements that are in ##k## or more of the ##A_j## is

##F_k\triangleq \bigcup_{S\in D^m_k} \bigcap_{j\in S} A_j##

Confirm this to yourself before proceeding.

Sorry for the late reply, but I just got really scared after seeing all these notations and symbols that I don't understand, and kind of crawled into a metaphorical corner. Anyway, is ##S## the ##\sigma##-algebra ##O##? And a quick Google search tells me that ##F_k## is equal by definition to the right-hand side of the equation? I'm sorry; I just don't think that I can confirm that ##F_k \in O## without knowing what's being said, here.
 
The symbol ##\triangleq## means 'is defined to be'. Some people use := instead, or ##=_{def}##.

The expression means the union, for all possible selections of k distinct integers in {1,...,m}, of the intersection of the k sets in ##A_1,...,A_m## that have those integers as index numbers.

##S## is the set containing the k chosen integers. It is not the sigma algebra.

In other words:
  1. choose k of the sets ##A_1,...,A_m## and take their intersection.
  2. Then take a different selection of k of those sets, take their intersection, then combine that (take the union) with the set from the previous step.
  3. Repeat that last step until all possible selections of k sets have been done.
 
andrewkirk said:
In other words:
  1. choose k of the sets ##A_1,...,A_m##
  • ##A_1##,...,##A_m## and take their intersection.
  • Then take a different selection of k of those sets, take their intersection, then combine that (take the union) with the set from the previous step.
  • Repeat that last step until all possible selections of k sets have been done.

Okay, so the event space is closed under finite intersections and unions, so ##F_k\in O##. And following in suit of the case where ##m=2## and ##k=1##...

##B_k=\bigcup_{i=1}^{m} A_i \cap (\bigcup_{S\in D^m_k} \bigcap_{j\in S} A_j)^c##

I think...
 
My professor went over the problem in class, and this is something else I came up with:

"Let ##I=\{1,...,m\}##. Define ##S=\{\sigma \in \mathbf{P}(I):|\sigma|=k\}##, where ##\mathbf{P}(I)## is the power set of ##I##. Then denote the k-element sets of integers from 1 to m as ##\sigma_n##, where ##n\in ℕ## and ##1\leq n\leq |S|##. Then define ##B_k=\bigcup_{n=1}^{|S|} [(\bigcap_{i\in \sigma_n} A_i)\cap(\bigcap_{j\neq i} A_j^c)]##, which is in ##B_k## since the event space is closed under finite set operations."
 

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