Discrete Math - question about sets

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The problem involves using set builder notation to describe specific sets of numbers. The sets include a finite list of integers and a set of letters, prompting participants to express these in a formal mathematical way.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the naming of sets and the appropriate mathematical notation for describing the elements of the sets. There is uncertainty about the correct characterization of the elements, particularly regarding whether they should be odd or even multiples of a number.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to express the sets in mathematical notation, while others are still questioning their understanding of the requirements. Multiple interpretations of the sets are being explored, particularly for the first set involving multiples of three.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the use of odd versus even numbers in the set descriptions, as well as the use of quantifiers in set notation, which may not be familiar to all participants.

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1. Homework Statement

Use set builder notation to give a description of each of these sets.

a) { 0,3,6,9,12 }

b) { -3, -2, -1,0, 1, 2, 3 }

c) { m,n,o,p }








3. The Attempt at a Solution

X={x l x is an odd possitive multiplier of 3 less than 12 }



X is supposed to be the set. Can I just name it randomly? Also, can I say it like this? Is that ok? Not really sure about b and c.
 
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You can name your set what you like.

For b, notice the elements are integers from -3 to 3; that is, x[tex]\in[/tex]Z AND -3 [tex]\leq[/tex] x [tex]\leq[/tex] 3

For a, x does not have to be odd since 6 and 12 are in the set. You are right that they are positive multiples of 3 and less than 12 but can you describe that in mathematical notation?
 
VeeEight said:
You can name your set what you like.

For b, notice the elements are integers from -3 to 3; that is, x[tex]\in[/tex]Z AND -3 [tex]\leq[/tex] x [tex]\leq[/tex] 3

For a, x does not have to be odd since 6 and 12 are in the set. You are right that they are positive multiples of 3 and less than 12 but can you describe that in mathematical notation?


Oh yeah.. nevermind. They are not all odd.

And no, I don't know. I'd just simply say : X= { x[tex]\in[/tex]Z l x is positive x*3 less than 13 }
 
If you denote 3Z as the set multiples of three, then the set in (a) consists of elements x [tex]\in[/tex]3Z such that 0 [tex]\leq[/tex] x [tex]\leq[/tex] 12
 
Alternatively, if you've seen quantifiers before you can write the set as

[tex]\left\{0,3,6,9,12\right\} = \left\{ x \in \mathbb{Z} \mid \exists y \in \mathbb{Z} \left(x=3y\right), 0 \leq x \leq 12 \right\}[/tex].

The first predicate essentially says that x is included in the set if and only if there exists an integer y such that x is three times y.

For example, the number 4 would not be included in the set because there is no integer that satisfies [tex]4=3y[/tex]. If you haven't seen quantifiers yet, then nevermind. :smile:
 

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