Discrete probability distribution

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The discussion revolves around a discrete probability distribution problem, focusing on the adaptation of a given formula to find the sum of a function related to the variable r. Participants are exploring how to correctly apply summation techniques and the implications of constants in their calculations.

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  • Participants discuss the adaptation of a formula to compute sums, questioning the correct limits and terms involved. There are attempts to clarify the summation process and the role of constants like k in the equations. Some participants express confusion over specific calculations and notation.

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My problem is how to adapt the given formula in order to find the sum of the function k(40-r)

Do i use the formula for 1 to 40, then 1 to 20 and subtract?

Even just a hint in the right direction would be useful. This sort of stuff has never been my strong point.
 

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Think i might have got it.

k(1\rightarrow40\sum(40-r) - 1\rightarrow19\sum(40-r)) + 20k = 1

k(40*40 - \frac{40(41)}{2} - (19*20 - \frac{19(20)}{2})) = 1

230k =1
k = 1/230EDIT sorry its a bit messy, don't know how to notate the limits for the summation properly.
 
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How did

\sum_{r=1}^{19}(40-r) = (19)(20) - \frac{(19)(20)}{2}

The part I don't understand is the (19)(20). And what happened to the 20k? Should it be 20k?
 
Hi ineedmunchies! :smile:

You've made it very complicated. :confused:

∑(40 - r) from 20 to 40 is simply:

20 + 19 + … + 1 + 0.

Just sum that! :smile:
 
Tedjn said:
How did

\sum_{r=1}^{19}(40-r) = (19)(20) - \frac{(19)(20)}{2}

The part I don't understand is the (19)(20). And what happened to the 20k? Should it be 20k?

I'm pretty sure that should be 19*40 and the 20k should be taken into account too. But as tim said, I've made it too complicated.
 
Tim did make a good observation. Make sure, however, that you don't use 20k. What should it be instead?
 
So can anyone help on how to get the expected value of R?

I think you multiply the two functions by r and then work out the sum over the ranges. Not entirely sure.

Oh and does anybody agree with my value of 1/230 for k??EDIT: sorry didn't see your post tedjn.

Should it be 20*19k instead??
 
I think you have the right idea, but how many numbers are between 0 and 19 inclusive?
 
ahhh silly little mistake again. twenty, ok getting there slowly.

1 = 20*20k + (20*21/2)k = 610k
k=1/610 hows that look?
 
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Yeah, that looks good.
 
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ineedmunchies said:
So can anyone help on how to get the expected value of R?

I think you multiply the two functions by r and then work out the sum over the ranges.
Hi ineedmunchies! :smile:

Yes, that's right!
 

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